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Dude.
Do you understand that every time you do this (the well-you're-just-as-bad argument) that you are condemning *your own* point of view as well as that of your foe?
Do you see how you deride *yourself* every time you use that tactic?
My point was that it's somewhat human nature...and the nature of these forums. We all have presuppositions.
The craters on earth were caused by pieces of earth blown into space out by the great flood, and some came back?
HHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! I almost peed myself when I read that!!
I am sorry but that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Noah and just about every other living thing on Earth would have been vaporized if the Earth released enough energy to blow all these craters into the planet at the same time.
The bottom line and point of this thread is, we are always presented with the Genesis story as an alternative to Evolution and always here that evolution is not observable and has never been observed. So, I thought I'd point out some observable reasons why Genesis just cannot be true.
We know how much energy is released to create craters, we know how fast the speed of light travels, we know how long it takes to create mountains based on plate tectonic collisions. These are all different fields of science that lead to the same conclusion.
The bottom line and point of this thread is, we are always presented with the Genesis story as an alternative to Evolution and always here that evolution is not observable and has never been observed. So, I thought I'd point out some observable reasons why Genesis just cannot be true.
We know how much energy is released to create craters, we know how fast the speed of light travels, we know how long it takes to create mountains based on plate tectonic collisions. These are all different fields of science that lead to the same conclusion.
I think Genesis, was the people of that times way of explaining things that they just didn't understand. Times have changed, sciences developed, we have a new understanding of how things have come to be. Sometimes I think people with the Bible so ingrained in their being, just do not want to accept the reality. It would mean that their whole belief system has been a waste. And that to many is too much to bare. Others I believe the Bible to them means they have a purpose and meaning and that they are not alone, and that death is not the end. It comforts them.
I'd like a Young Earth Creationists take on some of this observable phenomenon in our Universe:
Stars:
We can observe light from stars millions of light years away. The speed of light is a computable law of nature. If the Earth was only 6000 years old, then how did the light from stars millions of light years away reach Earth already?
Natural Resources:
Fossil fuels such as oil and coal take much longer than 6000 years to form naturally. How do you explain the abundance of these resources on Earth if the planet is 6000 years old?
Mountains:
Many mountain ranges on our planet are observed to be growing higher due to plate tectonic collisions. Did god create a base for these mountains and then have the plates collide to have the mountains grow ever so slightly every year?
Craters:
The earth is littered with massive craters from asteroid impacts throughout its history. Many of these craters are so large that it would have had devestating effects on mankind. We can calculate the amount of energy that would be released to create these craters and estimate what it would do to the planet. The results are unsettling. Yet, somehow, we've been struck by these asteroids in the past 6000 years without anyone noticing a thing?
First let me say that what you say by observe, is observe in the present. How things happened in the past is unobservable, so how these things came to be is a mystery unless we have first hand information from someone who was there. Evolutionary scientist were not there in the past, so their stories of past events are based on present observations of how the earth, matter, nature behaves today.
The bible is the word of God. As such it describes how things came to be. It is written of Gods perspective and of events that only God could observe, ie. the formation of the earth before humans were created.
The bible does not explain everything in exacting detail, but gives us reference to how God did what he did.
God created the earth and then the sun, moon and stars according to Genesis. So the stars were created to give light to the earth. It says that God stretched out the heavens. So, the stars that we can observe yet are a large distance away could have be pushed to their current position by God all the while sending their light to earh. Remember a light year is a distance. Because these stars are millions of light years away does not mean that the light traveled for millions of years. Remember no one has observed them giving their light to the earth for millions of years. The bible is unclear on the details of how they got to their current postions other then God putting them there.
Fossil fuels do not require more than a few week to be produced. Your Idea that these thing require thousands or millions of years to form is false reasoning and not based on anything tangable. Coal and Oil and even dimonds can be produced rather quickly. Only the right conditions are required. See Cubic Zirconias (man made dimonds) or commercial produced oil from turkey oful. The discover magazine also did an article called "Oil from anything" detailing how little time is required to produce oil. The same is true with fossils. Given the right conditions a fossil can be produced in less that 40 years from known events in nature and dare I say even shorter periods of time given correct conditions.
The earth is alway being impacted. We have seen the effects in history. Many times in the history books they describes earthquakes. These may be the effects of these impacts. Or the civilization may have been completely wiped out the earth is full of wiped out civilizations.
The rate of mountain growth is based on current observations. Rates can change over time so to assume that these rates have always been the same is absurd.
The bible describes concerning the flood of Noahs day as being complete and global in scale. It says that the fountains of the deep broke up. The bible describes a world prior to the flood with continuous techtonic plates, ie no fractures with water below and water above. The mountain were formed mainly due to this breaking of the techtonic plates causeing the waters from below to gush up. The falling plates forced the mountain ranges up and the sea beds down. For a period of time the water prevailed on the land (before the mountains rose or the sea beds fell) covering the earth completely. The flood was complete and catastrophic. The mountains quickly formed and the rate of the techtonic plates have slowed over time after this initial rise cause the rate of the mountain rising to slow to what we observe today.
This quick covering of the earth by water and water borne sediment is the best conditions to produce fossils. The plants and animals of Noah's time were quickly covered. So the fossil record we observe today is not a reccord of millions of years, but represents a reccord of the flood of Noah's time only and all plants and animals covered and killed by that event.
One could ask why God would create an adult male, and an adult female in Adam and Eve. When they were 2 days old they likely looked to be at least teenagers.
And you know this exactly how? Were you there?
Are you really getting a masters in theology.
Damn, the number of agnostics is going to skyrocket!
The Tunguska meteor pales in comparison to the size of some of the craters found on earth. It was estimated at releasing 5-30 megatons of energy. Compare that to some of the craters found here:
I mean the Tunguska meteor demonstrates the awesome power that a strike can have but it's nothing comared to some of Earth's pockmarks.
I think that those massive meteors are what broke the tecktonic place and cause the global flood in the first place.
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