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The Bible is a Book about Gods relationship with man. Yet it does speak of things that science was not aware of at the time the Bible was written. The Bible states that near the end of time, an Asteroid will strike one of earths seas, and it will destroy one third of the ships, and one third of the marine life in that sea. Asteroids were discovered about 1600 years after the New Testament was written. Yet the Bible clearly describes one. If the Bible only had humans involoved in it's creation, such an event would never of been spoken of. Only in our time are the dangers of Asteroids being considered. Yet the Bible spoke of such a thing 2,000 years ago.
hahaha what does the mentioning of planets have to do with anything?
I asked for the creation of the universe
Don't expect answers from the believers.
All knowledge about what lies beyond the clouds has been the result of scientific observation. In this realm the bible has failed miserably, and jeopardized its credibility.
Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and a great star burning like a lamp fell from the heaven, and it fell on the third part of the rivers and on the fountains of waters.
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood, and a third part of the waters became wormwood. And many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.
Star G792 ἀστήρ astēr as-tare'
Probably from the base of G4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally or figuratively: - star.
The theists now have taken this to mean an asteroid but never mind the inconsistency of interpretation, the same Greek word is used for:
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child.
and this is taken literally to mean angels cast out of heaven in that fictitious battle of yore.
So the way translators are flexible in getting their version of the bible to say what they want it to say, the latest spin is of course an asteroid or comet or meteorite as science irrefutably knows that a literal star cannot "fall" to earth.
The first telescope known to man was Galileo's in the early 17th century (Galileo's Telescope) so at the time of the writing of these texts, it is fair to assume that knowledge of asteroids were unknown but "shooting stars" were obviously a known phenomenon.
There are references to some asteroid known as wormwood, but has a NASA assigned name. Google it (wormwood asteroid) to see how this "supposed name" fulfills the pending doom of the planet yet ignoring that the said asteroid misses the earth by 2-1/2 moon distances (projected) (asteroid near miss)
Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and a great star burning like a lamp fell from the heaven, and it fell on the third part of the rivers and on the fountains of waters.
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood, and a third part of the waters became wormwood. And many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.
Star G792 ἀστήρ astēr as-tare'
Probably from the base of G4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally or figuratively: - star.
The theists now have taken this to mean an asteroid but never mind the inconsistency of interpretation, the same Greek word is used for:
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child.
and this is taken literally to mean angels cast out of heaven in that fictitious battle of yore.
So the way translators are flexible in getting their version of the bible to say what they want it to say, the latest spin is of course an asteroid or comet or meteorite as science irrefutably knows that a literal star cannot "fall" to earth.
The first telescope known to man was Galileo's in the early 17th century (Galileo's Telescope) so at the time of the writing of these texts, it is fair to assume that knowledge of asteroids were unknown but "shooting stars" were obviously a known phenomenon.
There are references to some asteroid known as wormwood, but has a NASA assigned name. Google it (wormwood asteroid) to see how this "supposed name" fulfills the pending doom of the planet yet ignoring that the said asteroid misses the earth by 2-1/2 moon distances (projected) (asteroid near miss)
Actually, I would be citing Revelation 8:8 and 9.
The second angel blew his trumpet. Something that (looked) like a huge mountain on fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died. A third of the ships were destroyed.
At what time in past history was a shooting star obsereved that destroyed a third of the ships in some ancient sea? Since no such phenomenon was ever spoken of in any historical account. How could ancient writers be this detailed? And it should be obvious, something like a burning mountain striking the sea and destroying a third of the ships in that sea, is a perfect description of a Asteroid strike, and not a falling star. The Bible has advanced knowledge of future events. And because of this, does not require the use of telescopes or input from NASA . The true author of the Bible knew about Asteroids long before telescopes, or NASA existed. And that is why the Bible can accurately describe an Asteroid, and it's aftermath. And of course, this description is found in the New Testament that was written 2,000 years ago. There is no spin here, just stated facts.
Last edited by Campbell34; 05-04-2009 at 10:22 PM..
Thanks justme...About what I thought, as asteroids were unknown at the time, and there was no such word then.
There word Asteroid will not be found in the Bible, yet the Bible clearly describes one in Revelation 8: 8 and 9.
The second angel blew his trumpet. Something that (LOOKED LIKE A HUGE MOUNTAIN ON FIRE) was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died. A third of the ships were destroyed. This is a perfect description given 2,000 years ago of an Asteroid strike, and it's aftermath.
The second angel blew his trumpet. Something that (looked) like a huge mountain on fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood. A third of the living creatures in the sea died. A third of the ships were destroyed.
At what time in past history was a shooting star obsereved that destroyed a third of the ships in some ancient sea? Since no such phenomenon was ever spoken of in any historical account. How could ancient writers be this detailed? And it should be obvious, something like a burning mountain striking the sea and destroying a third of the ships in that sea, is a perfect description of a Asteroid strike, and not a falling star. The Bible has advanced knowledge of future events. And because of this, does not require the use of telescopes or input from NASA. The true author of the Bible knew about Asteroids long before telescopes, or NASA. And that is why the Bible can accurately describe one, and it's aftermath. There is no spin here, just stated facts.
G3735 ὄρος oros or'-os
Probably a from an obsolete word ὄρω orō (to rise or “rear”; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).
G142 αἴρω airō ah'ee-ro
A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
G3733 ὄρνις ornis or'-nis
Probably from a prolonged form of the base of G3735; a bird (as rising in the air), that is, (specifically) a hen (or female domestic fowl): - hen.
H5375 נסה נשׂא nâśâ' nâsâh naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.
Nothing there to remotely suggest an asteroid. Maybe a volcano but there were a number of Mediterranean eruptions in early CE.
This IS a spin to make it fit a theology. Any asteroid the size of a mountain will destroy the earth. It will not just go splash so the idea that this refers to an asteroid is absurd.
It is obvious the translators had problems with that word.
G3735 ὄρος oros or'-os
Probably a from an obsolete word ὄρω orō (to rise or “rear”; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): - hill, mount (-ain).
G142 αἴρω airō ah'ee-ro
A primary verb; to lift; by implication to take up or away; figuratively to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); specifically to sail away (that is, weigh anchor); by Hebraism (compare [H5375]) to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
G3733 ὄρνις ornis or'-nis
Probably from a prolonged form of the base of G3735; a bird (as rising in the air), that is, (specifically) a hen (or female domestic fowl): - hen.
H5375 נסה נשׂא nâśâ' nâsâh naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.
Nothing there to remotely suggest an asteroid. Maybe a volcano but there were a number of Mediterranean eruptions in early CE.
This IS a spin to make it fit a theology. Any asteroid the size of a mountain will destroy the earth. It will not just go splash so the idea that this refers to an asteroid is absurd.
It is obvious the translators had problems with that word.
I would say there is nothing there remotely suggesting a volcano. And Volcanos my explode, they do not fly through the air. And some in science are suggesting that we may be hit by something the size of a mountain. And yet that impact would not destroy the earth. An Asteroid that is 3,280 feet across, would destroy an area the size of Belgium, of course the other effects would be great yet the earth would survive.
The Bible does not even suggest there would be a simple splash, that is just (you) suggesting something that is not found in the Scriptures. The Bible clearly states that one third of the ships in that sea would be destroyed, along with one third of the marine life. The translators did not have a problem with any word, they just wrote what was given to them.
The translators did not have a problem with any word, they just wrote what was given to them.
How true, but I am guessing that in the 1600's when the KJV was translated, in no way did they infer an asteroid and yes a volcano is the likely culprit. It is a mountain that burns and they did not have words for volcano in the original text or maybe that archaic Greek word was it.
You are pretty much stretching the text to fit your doctrine. All references in Greek G3735 refer to mounts or mountains NOT asteroids. If this were to be a "falling star" they would have used STAR as the word, not mountain.
But like all theists, you try and make the evidence fit the conclusion.
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