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Know sanspeur you just don't have what you say you have. It's nonsense for someone to try to discredit something when they haven't even tried to discredit by seeing if is really false.
I have found that it is pointless to present anything to people who consider themselves more knowledgeable than the experts. Actually I have forgotten what it was that you expect me to discredit anyway....It must not have been very important.
The bible says "In the begining God created the heavens and the earth". This is refering to the creation of everything out there, the solar system, the universe and the earth. This wording means that God created everything. The bible was written for man, so reference to man's position is given. Namely that God created the earth he stands upon and everything out there.
Scripture goes on to say "And God said 'Let there be light', and there was light". This is not just the light of the sun that God created, this is the very existance of light itself. God created light before he lit a single star in the vastness of space. After this God created the earth, then the sun, moon and then stars. So, according to biblical chronology, the earth is older then the stars, and the sun and the moon.
Of course, if you read the bible, all land dwelling animals were created on day six of the creation week. That is, dinosaurs like the T-Rex and the suropods were created on the same day as man. So, the history that the bible gives is very different then the History that man gives. Which are you going to believe?
On the 3rd day, God created the plants. On the 4th day, God created the sun and moon.
Genesis Chapt. 1
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
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14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
Yeah I certainly do remember how you lie and twist words and science to fit your myth, and at the same time ignore all evidence ( tons of it ) that conficts with the tale in your mind...Geez, you even twist the words of your revered bible when it suits you....No honesty or integrity at all.
And were you not the one who stated we should not use personal attacks to win an arguement sanspeur?
(Tons of it) Nothing like giving details.
Could you show us where I twisted the words found in the Bible sanspeur?
On the 3rd day, God created the plants. On the 4th day, God created the sun and moon.
Genesis Chapt. 1
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
There are two versions of the creation told in Genesis, that reflect the two different writers who wrote that chapter. In one version, man and women were made simultaneously, after the animals were made: Genesis 1:25-27 In the second version, God made man first, then the animals, then woman. Genesis 2:18-22
So did man come before or after the plants and the birds? It depends on whether you are reading Chapter 1 or Chapter 2:
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"And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind ... And the evening and the morning were the third day ... Let the waters teem with life and let birds fly above the earth ... it was the fifth day ... And God said, Let us make man in our image ... And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." (Genesis Chapter 1 verse 12)
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"There was neither plant nor shrub growing on the earth, for YAHWEH God had not sent any rain, and there was not a man to till the ground. . . And YAHWEH God formed man of the dust of the ground . . . And YAHWEH God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made YAHWEH God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food." (Genesis Chapter 2 verse 5)
Similarly, there are two versions of Naoh's ark in the bible. Each version calls God by a different name, has a different writing style, etc.
There are two versions of the creation told in Genesis, that reflect the two different writers who wrote that chapter. In one version, man and women were made simultaneously, after the animals were made: Genesis 1:25-27 In the second version, God made man first, then the animals, then woman. Genesis 2:18-22
So did man come before or after the plants and the birds? It depends on whether you are reading Chapter 1 or Chapter 2:
Similarly, there are two versions of Naoh's ark in the bible. Each version calls God by a different name, has a different writing style, etc.
The account of the creation story found in Genesis 1 occurs in chronological order. The account found in Genesis 2 gives an expanded account of Genesis 1, yet this account is not in chronological order.
Consider link below.
The account of the creation story found in Genesis 1 occurs in chronological order. The account found in Genesis 2 gives an expanded account of Genesis 1, yet this account is not in chronological order.
Consider link below.
Many Christians worship the bible as if the bible is a God. It's the new Golden Calf. They're not content with it being devinely inspired, they have to believe its divinely, magically, 100% true. Rather than God inspired, they believe it is God made, and maybe it is part God itself.
I would guess you fall into that camp.
But there are Christians who recognize that, while maybe God inspired, the bible was man made. And just like God may inspire man today, they believe that God's inspiration isn't always 100% perfectly translated by humans.
Those Christians, (and jews!) have done a good job of critically analyzing the text. From there analysis, it is pretty clear that the source of the first telling of adam and eve is different than the source of the seconde. I know you don't buy into that, but that's what the neutral evidence seems to indicate.
The literalists are always incredibly liberal when interpreting scripture that contradicts them.
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