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Old 09-27-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Fine and thanks for coming...

These truths are about how perhaps people can co-exist peacefully despite our personal truth differences that go well beyond our universally accepted truths. That's all...

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well there are no such things as universally accepted truths. I recall scientists on the radio explaining that they have made a mistake & the universe is actually twice as old as they have been teaching kids in schools for years. So their universally accepted truths were ignorant lies after all, & hardly a day goes by when they don't admit that some other teaching of theirs is a mistake as well.

And what do you mean by co-exist peacefully? You have come to a religious forum to preach atheism. You have come to do battle for people's souls & lead them into eternal darkness, & maybe even The Fires of Hell; not to co-exist peacefully.
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Old 09-27-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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well there are no such things as universally accepted truths. I recall scientists on the radio explaining that they have made a mistake & the universe is actually twice as old as they have been teaching kids in schools for years.
They did not make a mistake, rather they gained new knowledge through advanced technology.

Learn and understand the difference.

For every discipline, there are certain things that are "understood."

Specialists in those disciplines are aware of those understandings, but laymen are not, and teachers do a poor job of conveying those understandings, in part because the teachers aren't even remotely qualified.

When the first large Earth-based telescoped revealed the age of the Universe to be older, it was understood by everyone in the field that the Universe may actually be older, since age is determined by the ability to see light from very distant stars, and that ability is limited by the size of the telescope.

So, when Hubble was launched, no one was shocked or surprised to learn the Universe is even older than previously established, since Hubble is vastly superior to any Earth-based telescope.

In the Future, technology will allow us to build even more powerful telescopes, and they will be parked in space outside of the Earth's magnetosphere between Earth and Mars to see even farther.

Such a telescope will either confirm that we have the correct age of the Universe, or it will detect light at even greater distances, necessitating an increase in the age of the Universe.

That process will be repeated with ever more powerful telescopes until the actual age is confirmed.
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Old 09-27-2019, 02:59 PM
 
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I recall one person saying he went to a friend's place & there was a glass prism on a shelf there. And so he looked through the prism & saw an old woman standing at the window staring in at him. He got a fright & dropped the prism & when he looked at the window there was no one there. Then he picked up the prism & looked through it again & the old woman was definitely still there watching him.

So the instrument (prism) allowed him to see into another dimension. This is a clue to scientists that they need to see into the other dimensions of the universe before they will be qualified to explain what reality is. God showed me that time does not exist. Space does not exist. Those things are only wavelengths of the universal energy that anyone can tune in & out of & they have no existence otherwise. & yet Science is stuck in time & space studying it & looking for the origins of the universe!
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Old 09-28-2019, 01:50 PM
 
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So the instrument (prism) allowed him to see into another dimension.
Or, you're just really gullible, because no one else can do that.

I stared into a mirror once and thought I saw a Chinese guy, but it was just me (I was drunk and stoned and squinting really hard).
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Old 09-28-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Not sure I follow, and I'm always perplexed by this confusion, but thanks for the question...

Of course it's okay to discuss these truths in whatever manner you wish! I'm not like these anal folks forever complaining about this or that, seemingly wanting to control traffic but mostly just wanting to get in the way. Forever complaining and bellyaching, using the report button like babies.

Have at it! Fear not! By all means!

Universal truth. We all live on planet Earth. Yes. Also true that some people live better lives than others on Earth. Not sure the difference, but of course "better" is a rather subjective measure.

I like to put it this way, "There are essentially two realities for all human beings. One reality is as we perceive it to be, our personal reality. The second reality is all that truly exists in the universe, the same for all of us. Our universal truth."

Where is the confusion?
It seems there is none since I do agree with the way you put it. I purposely used the word better because comparisons are subject to a person's experience, which can affect how they perceive their personal reality.

I once mentioned that I live in a small house but one of my daughter's friends said that is not true. My house is very big and her house is small according to this friend. But the reality is that some people do live better than others.

So the point I am trying to make: Is there any point in separating truths, which I suspect are mostly opinions? I don't think so. Instead, I would solely look at facts that everyone can agree on. "This house does have more square footage than that house."

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Old 09-28-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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Or, you're just really gullible, because no one else can do that.
It was an anomaly & not normal. However billions of anomalies do occur, even to doctors & scientists & government people etc etc. It doesn't fit into the box of science's microscopic view of reality at present. That's all. They need to think outside the box if they want to evolve & learn to conquer time & space like God does. They can't preach their ignorance to religious people as if it is the absolute truth. It is wicked for them to even try
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Old 09-28-2019, 06:13 PM
 
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Or, you're just really gullible, because no one else can do that.

I stared into a mirror once and thought I saw a Chinese guy, but it was just me (I was drunk and stoned and squinting really hard).
I hope you weren’t on duty at the time.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:06 PM
 
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Or, you're just really gullible, because no one else can do that.

I stared into a mirror once and thought I saw a Chinese guy, but it was just me (I was drunk and stoned and squinting really hard).
Reminds me of an early Eighties song by The Vapors, but we'd best not go there.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:38 AM
 
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They did not make a mistake, rather they gained new knowledge through advanced technology.

Learn and understand the difference.

For every discipline, there are certain things that are "understood."

Specialists in those disciplines are aware of those understandings, but laymen are not, and teachers do a poor job of conveying those understandings, in part because the teachers aren't even remotely qualified.

When the first large Earth-based telescoped revealed the age of the Universe to be older, it was understood by everyone in the field that the Universe may actually be older, since age is determined by the ability to see light from very distant stars, and that ability is limited by the size of the telescope.

So, when Hubble was launched, no one was shocked or surprised to learn the Universe is even older than previously established, since Hubble is vastly superior to any Earth-based telescope.

In the Future, technology will allow us to build even more powerful telescopes, and they will be parked in space outside of the Earth's magnetosphere between Earth and Mars to see even farther.

Such a telescope will either confirm that we have the correct age of the Universe, or it will detect light at even greater distances, necessitating an increase in the age of the Universe.

That process will be repeated with ever more powerful telescopes until the actual age is confirmed.
Given what limited time I have and a strong inclination to take a break from this forum for awhile, I thank you for stepping in with some of this help, seemingly badly needed by some...
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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Or, you're just really gullible, because no one else can do that.

I stared into a mirror once and thought I saw a Chinese guy, but it was just me (I was drunk and stoned and squinting really hard).
Reminds me of how I've never gone to bed with an ugly woman. I've waken up with a few however...
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