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Old 09-14-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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By forcibly making folks pay for it.
....and , to ask all Residents of our Nation to pretend it is permissable to willfully destroy developing American life in the womb so dangerous and harmful Sexual Hedonism can remain Americas favorite pastime --- atheistic Secular Humanism philosophies of Mens fabrications.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Some religions consider abortion to be murder and murder (not to commit bloodshed) is prohibited by the one of the 7 Noahide Commandments.
So what? Some atheists feel the same way about abortion...Abortion has nothing what ever to do with atheism.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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It doesnt affect the existence of God, ...
You are correct up to this point...

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but, it does violate his established moral law written on all of our hearts that murdering an innocent defenseless human being (regardless of the physical stage of development) , is absolutely wrong . We have a halocaust here in America with 95% of ALL abortions performed being for birth control due to widespread promoted sexual hedonism gone further wrong resulting in unwanted pregnancy -- it works out to about 4,000 developing Americans per day being ripped to shreds then vaccuumed out and deposited into a nearby sink with the 'mother' witnessing her offsprings small identifiable body parts laying on the bottom of a porcelain bowl. An image that will plague a woman for the rest of her life contributing to depression and greater risk of suicide in addition to increased chance of breast cancer. .
Here is where you are off track.

Assuming all you said is true, why would atheism lead me to be pro-choice?

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Such a practice is represented by a willful adopted philosophy (charade) of no personal theistic Creator so people can do/live as they like thereby 'eliminating' ultimate moral accountability .
So, you believe atheist are in favor of murder?
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yes, wise obedience to The Moral Law which God in his loving authority , has given us all for our own protection . It is the Christian principle that America was founded on and freely espoused by our Founders because they knew it would be best for our Nation. Yet its a blatant disregard for this that the greater populus desires today ; ergo , WE want to be god instead of allowing him to be . Which do you think is wiser and best for yourself ? And why ?
You answered yes. I guess that means you would obey gods law and kill your neighbor....
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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It doesnt affect the existence of God, but, it does violate his established moral law written on all of our hearts that murdering an innocent defenseless human being (regardless of the physical stage of development) , is absolutely wrong . We have a halocaust here in America with 95% of ALL abortions performed being for birth control due to widespread promoted sexual hedonism gone further wrong resulting in unwanted pregnancy -- it works out to about 4,000 developing Americans per day being ripped to shreds then vaccuumed out and deposited into a nearby sink with the 'mother' witnessing her offsprings small identifiable body parts laying on the bottom of a porcelain bowl. An image that will plague a woman for the rest of her life contributing to depression and greater risk of suicide in addition to increased chance of breast cancer.

Such a practice is represented by a willful adopted philosophy (charade) of no personal theistic Creator so people can do/live as they like thereby 'eliminating' ultimate moral accountability .
According to your 'moral law' code God killed David and Bathsheba's innocent, defenceless baby... And aborted countless thousands of unborn children when Israel put to death everyone in the cities they conquered.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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You are correct up to this point...



Here is where you are off track.

Assuming all you said is true, why would atheism lead me to be pro-choice?



So, you believe atheist are in favor of murder?
1. Because Atheism puts YOU (Man) in charge of making up his own rules for living , instead of a far wiser Creator who is over , above, and beyond humanistic philosophies which places personal entitle-itis as its catalyst . ... a womans authority overshadowing life itself when she is supposed to be a faithful Trustee of her own child while being in the safest place on earth , her very own womb. Abortion is the epitomie of heinous betrayal to ones own child which the 'mother' consents to. This is a halocaust.

2. If there are no absolute moral laws for all men/women , then it is only ones opinion that murder is wrong . In fact, in the last Century we find three Atheist Political Dictators who supported murder being acceptable for 'a better society' .
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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1. Because Atheism puts YOU (Man) in charge of making up his own rules for living , instead of a far wiser Creator who is over , above, and beyond humanistic philosophies which puts personal entitle-itis as its catalyst . (Crutch, is a better word to use) .

2. If there are no absolute moral laws for all men/women , then it is only ones opinion that murder is wrong . In fact, in the last Century we find three Atheist Political Dictators who supported murder being acceptable for 'a better society' .
I think it's time for this.

Morality Without God - YouTube
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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By forcibly making folks pay for it.
I dont agree with sending troops to fight and die in wars which do not 'protect the homeland borders', and the killing of over 100,000 innocent civilians in those countries, but I am forced to pay for it, when I would far rather my tax dollars go to healthcare or education for our citizens.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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You answered yes. I guess that means you would obey gods law and kill your neighbor....
God doesnt ask you and I to kill our neighbor...he asks us to love our neighbor. So, there is no law to kill ones neighbor. Have you read the Bible which you want to discredit ?
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:31 AM
 
Location: OKC
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1. Because Atheism puts YOU (Man) in charge of making up his own rules for living , instead of a far wiser Creator who is over , above, and beyond humanistic philosophies which places personal entitle-itis as its catalyst . ... a womans authority overshadowing life itself when she is supposed to be a faithful Trustee of her own child while being in the safest place on earth , her very own womb. Abortion is the epitomie of heinous betrayal to ones own child which the 'mother' consents to. This is a halocaust.

2. If there are no absolute moral laws for all men/women , then it is only ones opinion that murder is wrong . In fact, in the last Century we find three Atheist Political Dictators who supported murder being acceptable for 'a better society' .
Ah, so you DO believe atheist are in favor of murder.

By the way, theist such Christians, don't believe in absolute moral laws either. They believe what is right is determined by the context... they often don't admit that though.
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