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Old 09-14-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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Can you please explain to me how a law allowing for legal abortion is imposing atheism on you or anyone else?
It does if that law permits gov't funding of abortion.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: OKC
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It does if that law permits gov't funding of abortion.

What does abortion have to do with a belief or disbelief in God?
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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It does if that law permits gov't funding of abortion.

How is that imposing atheism on you?
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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The Christian religion has no morality. What it has is obedience to authority...If God told you to murder your neighbor for working on the sabbath, would you do it?
Yes, wise obedience to The Moral Law which God in his loving authority , has given us all for our own protection . It is the Christian principle that America was founded on and freely espoused by our Founders because they knew it would be best for our Nation. Yet its a blatant disregard for this that the greater populus desires today ; ergo , WE want to be god instead of allowing him to be . Which do you think is wiser and best for yourself ? And why ?
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Yes, wise obedience to The Moral Law which God in his loving authority , has given us all for our own protection . It is the Christian principle that America was founded on and freely espoused by our Founders because they knew it would be best for our Nation. Yet its a blatant disregard for this that the greater populus desires today ; ergo , WE want to be god instead of allowing him to be . Which do you think is wiser and best for yourself ? And why ?

If by "founded on" you mean some of the people that founded our country happened to be Christian, then that is true.

But if you mean the Constitution of the U.S. is based on Christian principles, or gives Christianity any special status, then that is untrue.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:59 AM
 
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What does abortion have to do with a belief or disbelief in God?
Some religions consider abortion to be murder and murder (not to commit bloodshed) is prohibited by the one of the 7 Noahide Commandments.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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What does abortion have to do with a belief or disbelief in God?
It doesnt affect the existence of God, but, it does violate his established moral law written on all of our hearts that murdering an innocent defenseless human being (regardless of the physical stage of development) , is absolutely wrong . We have a halocaust here in America with 95% of ALL abortions performed being for birth control due to widespread promoted sexual hedonism gone further wrong resulting in unwanted pregnancy -- it works out to about 4,000 developing Americans per day being ripped to shreds then vaccuumed out and deposited into a nearby sink with the 'mother' witnessing her offsprings small identifiable body parts laying on the bottom of a porcelain bowl. An image that will plague a woman for the rest of her life contributing to depression and greater risk of suicide in addition to increased chance of breast cancer.

Such a practice is represented by a willful adopted philosophy (charade) of no personal theistic Creator so people can do/live as they like thereby 'eliminating' ultimate moral accountability .
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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How is that imposing atheism on you?
By forcibly making folks pay for it.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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By forcibly making folks pay for it.

OK, I see where that would be against your preference, but I still don't see it forcing atheism on YOU. I have to pay taxes for schools, even though I don't have any children; I pay taxes that fund welfare, even though I've never received (thankfully!) welfare benefits; etc, etc, etc.

Paying for it doesn't force atheism on you in any way that I can discern. Can you explain further?
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:08 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Some religions consider abortion to be murder and murder (not to commit bloodshed) is prohibited by the one of the 7 Noahide Commandments.

The implication is that atheist are not against murder?


I think everyone, religious or atheist, is against murder. The question is, "is the fetus a living human being"? (Not to get into the self-defense arguments.)

One can easily believe in a God and believe the fetus is not a human being and therefore be pro-choice.

Alternatively, one can easily believe the fetus is a human being and therefore be pro-life - even if they are an atheist.

The belief or disbelief in a God is largely irrelevent to the question of whether an abortion constitutes murder.
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