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This, is spawned from a thread that was started in the relationship forum, where a young man was asking for help, because his gay lover was struggling with wanting to go back to "straight" versus staying with him and remaining "gay". It undoubtedly caused a lot of hits with different views/opinions, and it was very quickly suggested we "stay on topic" or move it elsewhere. Out of severe deliberation, seeking different scripture references, and hearing both sides, I would like to open it up to the public on the appropriate forum?
I know I have not made much of an apperance in the Religion Forum before, but that could change drasticly! I was raised very religiously as a child, and have kept my faith as an adult, but not to the extent that I probably should.
Yes, God forgives all. Yes, we all are living in sin and constantly making it a daily habit of asking for forgivness, and retribution, and acceptance. But does that mean it is ok to commit yourself to a lifestle, in a relationship that God directly speaks against in the Bible? Second Corinthians and Leviticus specifically. (I do not have my Bible on me at work, I will be sure to look them up later tonight while I continue to put together an arguement against this).
I'm not bashing anyone for their choice of sexual orientation. I'm not trying to "shove God" down anyone's throats, or push my personal opinion on anyone who happens to differ. I am asking simply what everyone else's take on this issue is, to perhaps strengthen my resolve or conflict with it myself.
I have read the majority of the other strings posted on Homosexuality in the CD forum as well. So if you feel this is too redundant or don't care to participate in another debate on it, I understand.
Well since your not a troll (I hope) lol, I think, now after Ive given it some thought that while I think its wrong, I think alot of things are wrong, we all struggle with things, be it lying, stealing, porn, lust, etc and the list goes on. I should add here, I dont think just becasue your a homosexual that it implies that your not a hardworking decent human being worth of Gods love.. Its something people struggle with and IMHO is non of my business for the most part. But between them and God, and just to add I think for the most part, I now believe that, after a some serious thinking on my part, that people can be born gay, or at least have strong feeling towards members of their same sex.
Last edited by arguy1973; 08-06-2007 at 12:33 PM..
This, is spawned from a thread that was started in the religion forum, that was suggested we "stay on topic" or move it elsewhere. Out of severe deliberation, seeking different scripture references, and hearing both sides, I would like to open it up to the public?
I know I have not made much of an apperance in the Religion Forum before, but that could change drasticly! I was raised very religiously as a child, and have kept my faith as an adult, but not to the extent that I probably should.
Yes, God forgives all. Yes, we all are living in sin and constantly making it a daily habit of asking for forgivness, and retribution, and acceptance. But does that mean it is ok to commit yourself to a lifestle, in a relationship that God directly speaks against in the Bible? Second Corinthians and Leviticus specifically. (I do not have my Bible on me at work, I will be sure to look them up later tonight while I continue to put together an arguement against this).
I'm not bashing anyone for their choice of sexual orientation. I'm not trying to "shove God" down anyone's throats, or push my personal opinion on anyone who happens to differ. I am asking simply what everyone else's take on this issue is, to perhaps strengthen my resolve or conflict with it myself.
For me, to be completely honest, the jury is still out with this issue. I do, however, believe that being gay is NOT a choice and is the result of factors beyond the person's control. I therefore find it difficult to believe God would condemn someone for something they were born into, and I don't buy the argument that this sin is like any other--it is definately different, IMO.
Some Christians try to equate homosexuality with, say, bestiality or child predators, saying that they are born with an unnatural desire and they must fight it. EW!!! How distasteful.
Homo=2 consenting adults.
Bestiality or child predator=the abuse against an animal, or a child.
No dice!
Also, I don't believe there are biological factors that cause the desire for animal or child sex. Rather, it is the result of childhood abuse themselves, or of an unbalanced and sick mind. God does not make people to be born with these desires, IMO, and it is blasphemous to say so.
Christian homosexuals are asked to deny a VERY large part of the human experience: intimacy, both sexual and non, with someone who they share more than friendship-love with. They are in fact told to deny this urge and to fake it, more or less, with someone of the opposite sex.
Also, the "sin" of homosexuality has also been compared to someone wanting to drink, or do drugs, or whatever. But having an intimate relationship with another human being can hardly be compared with something as obviously damaging as alcholism, or drugs, IMO.
Anywho, that's my 2 cents and that's what it's worth, probably.
Well since your not a troll (I hope) lol, I think, now after Ive given it some thought that while I think its wrong, I think alot of things are wrong, we all struggle with things, be it lying, stealing, porn, lust, etc and the list goes on. For me personally, and IMHO to openly say its okay is where I have the problem, same as saying its Okay to steal, okay to commit adultery or whatever. Its something people struggle with and IMHO is non of my business for the most part. But between them and God.
Thankyou for posting. And no, not a troll, just not a regular on this particular category of CD. I would like to have some honest opinions, without either sides of the pary just being jaded and bitter, and possibly getting into a asterisk post-studded match!
For me, to be completely honest, the jury is still out with this issue. I do, however, believe that being gay is NOT a choice and is the result of factors beyond the person's control.
I never thought of it as possibly the result of a sexually abused childhood, thankyou! I disagree as well, I don't believe that people are "born" gay. I think it is a misguided attempt at finding their way in a very distraught world. People do all different things to try to find anywhere to fit in, anywhere to find love and acceptance. Whether it's by tryign to adpot the lifestyles of being Gothic, Buddist, Gay, Vegan, I think it's all a large part in just trying to "find a way to fit in, in today's world".... BUT I didn't post this poll so I could junk it up with my opinions, I am wanting to hear yours!
For me, to be completely honest, the jury is still out with this issue. I do, however, believe that being gay is NOT a choice and is the result of factors beyond the person's control. I therefore find it difficult to believe God would condemn someone for something they were born into, and I don't buy the argument that this sin is like any other--it is definately different, IMO.
Some Christians try to equate homosexuality with, say, bestiality or child predators, saying that they are born with an unnatural desire and they must fight it. EW!!! How distasteful.
Homo=2 consenting adults.
Bestiality or child predator=the abuse against an animal, or a child.
No dice!
Also, I don't believe there are biological factors that cause the desire for animal or child sex. Rather, it is the result of childhood abuse themselves, or of an unbalanced and sick mind. God does not make people to be born with these desires, IMO, and it is blasphemous to say so.
Christian homosexuals are asked to deny a VERY large part of the human experience: intimacy, both sexual and non, with someone who they share more than friendship-love with. They are in fact told to deny this urge and to fake it, more or less, with someone of the opposite sex.
Also, the "sin" of homosexuality has also been compared to someone wanting to drink, or do drugs, or whatever. But having an intimate relationship with another human being can hardly be compared with something as obviously damaging as alcholism, or drugs, IMO.
Anywho, that's my 2 cents and that's what it's worth, probably.
Worth every penny. I've gotta spread my rep-giving around more, but this post deserves points.
I'll also add that I think the poll question and the title of the thread are asking two different things. I'm not a Christian so I may not have it right, but couldn't someone be god-fearing and not a firm believer/supporter/reader of the bible at once?
I never thought of it as possibly the result of a sexually abused childhood, thankyou! I disagree as well, I don't believe that people are "born" gay. I think it is a misguided attempt at finding their way in a very distraught world. People do all different things to try to find anywhere to fit in, anywhere to find love and acceptance. Whether it's by tryign to adpot the lifestyles of being Gothic, Buddist, Gay, Vegan, I think it's all a large part in just trying to "find a way to fit in, in today's world".... BUT I didn't post this poll so I could junk it up with my opinions, I am wanting to hear yours!
Thanks for posting.
I think you misunderstood me...I DO believe that people are born gay (or str8). It has been scientifically proven than there are biological differences in gay people.
It's clear that the Bible considers to practice homosexuality a sin.
Before anyone starts screaming, I know that lots of people don't accept what the Bible has to say about this or maybe any other topic. But the Bible clearly does not accept the practice (I say" practice of " to differentiate from possibly having homosexual tendencies) of homosexuality. That was the OP's question.
I am sure that they can be born that way. I have a cousin that from the time he was toddler is was obvious that he was not like most other little boys. The older he got, the more obvious it was that he had a lot of the sweet feminine traits that caused him a lot of teasing from the other boys. He left the area after college and his family never talked about him. I suspect he found someone that accepted him as he was.
I am sure that they can be born that way. I have a cousin that from the time he was toddler is was obvious that he was not like most other little boys. The older he got, the more obvious it was that he had a lot of the sweet feminine traits that caused him a lot of teasing from the other boys. He left the area after college and his family never talked about him. I suspect he found someone that accepted him as he was.
this is exactly why I now believe people can be born that way, several guys I knew from school were so feminine in school, I mean from pre-school on up, and I saw one of them the other day, and they were indeed Gay. Id have to agree with Kay Kay on the decision to practice vs not practicing..but thats not really my decision though.
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I know that lots of people don't accept what the Bible has to say about this or maybe any other topic.
But the Bible clearly does not accept the practice (I say" practice of " to differentiate from possibly having homosexual tendencies) of homosexuality. That was the OP's question.