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Old 04-07-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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I would consider an anglophone abnormal as I've never heard of one.

Normality is one makes of it. Calling it abnormal based on commonality is absurd.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree with this issue. It seems to me that we are getting into the whole PC of terminology anyways
Sorry, that is subjective reasoning and not applicable in these cases. What one "believes" something to be has no effect on what it actually is.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Physical: Head, shoulders, eyes, legs, mouth, etc.

Everything else is a genetic difference. What's your point?

Just because you are Jew and the others are Black, you both are still H. sapiens. Unless you classified yourself as a different species

There seems to be confusion on my part. Again, the "concept" of race is a social construct. If we didn't distinguish ourselves White, Black, Yellow, Red, we would only be considered H. sapiens. And that is what my point is.
Wishing away race and differences will not make it any less likely for me to have a taysachs child that would not survive to be 1 year old.

Wishing away race won't make glaucoma rates in blacks go down
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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No, again you are comparing outside of like comparisons. Homosexuality is a behavior that occurs in humans (as well as animals). We can properly assess its normality within humans. Heterosexual behavior is consistent, common, normal, homosexual behavior is not consistent, uncommon, abnormal.

The reason your example is flawed is because each of those races do not produce the other unless they mix. They are isolated and so comparing them is a flawed assessment.

Now you could rate normal or abnormality based on mixed race products. For instance, what hair color, skin pigmentation, etc.. is common or uncommon, normal or abnormal.

That is, they share a common relation and therefore both influence the result. The rate of their occurrence establishes its normality.
It seems to me as though we are getting into the political correctness of the proper usage of the word "abnormal".

I suppose we are getting into the whole definition of terms which is pretty much pointless to argue
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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I'll never question the legitimacy of my position on the subject...my suggestion to you is to question your position on the subject.
My point exactly, you never assess the merit of your position and therefore make all efforts to avoid dealing with any conflicts that question it. You prove my point exactly.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:18 PM
 
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As a cognitive behaviorist (psychologist) I believe that homosexuality is a failure to successfully master one of Erikson’s eight stages of life development, specifically the fifth stage: Identity vs. Role-confusion. Erik Erikson Stages of Development No one chooses to be homosexual. But failing this stage of development means being gay will feel perfectly natural to the indivual so it is no wonder that so many homosexuals feel they were born this way. The whole human genome has been mapped and there has not been a “Gay Gene” found. It’s not genetic, it’s not a choice, it’s a learned behavioral condition.
Why hasn't the American Psychological Association postulated the same theory? Do you believe that homosexuality can be "cured"?
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:18 PM
 
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It seems to me as though we are getting into the political correctness of the proper usage of the word "abnormal".

I suppose we are getting into the whole definition of terms which is pretty much pointless to argue
I don't understand why you're so afraid of the word abnormal?

I don't think that homosexuals are bad, immoral or anything. But they are abnormal as most people are heterosexual. it's not a judgment, just a description. What scares you so much about descriptions?
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:19 PM
 
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Wishing away race and differences will not make it any less likely for me to have a taysachs child that would not survive to be 1 year old.

Wishing away race won't make glaucoma rates in blacks go down
Again, the "concept" of the word race. Pick up a sociology book
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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My point exactly, you never assess the merit of your position and therefore make all efforts to avoid dealing with any conflicts that question it. You prove my point exactly.
Look, why don't you tell me why I should assess the merit of my position...why should I as a gay man assess the merit of my posistion?

Shrug...
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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It seems to me as though we are getting into the political correctness of the proper usage of the word "abnormal".

I suppose we are getting into the whole definition of terms which is pretty much pointless to argue
It is a proper definition, it is a relevant definition and it is an appropriate definition. The fact that people don't use it is simply they do not want a negative sound to their description. They take it personally and honestly, I don't care how someone takes a word when it is specifically relevant to the discussion.

If anything, political influence has led to people thinking it is a bad word when it is simply a fact. We have enough people who can't read, the last thing we need is constant changes to definitions to fit emotional appeal. In fact, I personally think it the path to an ignorant society.
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Old 04-07-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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I don't understand why you're so afraid of the word abnormal?

I don't think that homosexuals are bad, immoral or anything. But they are abnormal as most people are heterosexual. it's not a judgment, just a description. What scares you so much about descriptions?
Again, it's the political correctness of the word. We ARE in a politics thread.

The word "abnormal" has been associated with negativity and therefore has been tinted as such.

Which may be the reason for the ping pongs we've been having
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