Reid Compares Opponents of Health Care Reform to Supporters of Slavery (Pelosi, accuse)
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No, he said that it was a lie that Republicans 150 years ago were against slavery. No matter how you try to spin it.
Please quote SOMETHING that backs what you're saying....
Jadex said the following:
"Honestly thats what gets me about blacks that just blindly follow the democrat party, They are following the party that wanted them to remain slaves. It makes no sense to me"
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Originally Posted by Predos
In which case it is moronic for your democrats to try to lay claim to some imagined moral high ground founded in 1860. See? It works both ways.
No, it doesn't work EITHER way. Reid is comparing the Republican's stance on the healthcare bill to "LAWMAKER'S" stances on slavery in 1860.... NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF MENTION OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY FROM THE 1860s THERE?.... IT IS THE KEY TO WHAT I'M SAYING...
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Originally Posted by Predos
Which would indicate further that Reids statement is at best misleading but probably more likely a political lie.
Reid's statement is foolish in it's own right, but Jadex' suggestion was twice as a$$inine IMO.... You seem to have a problem differentiating the two... In fact, it's your inability to do so which has us in this discussion in the first place...
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Originally Posted by Predos
Equally, as has already been pointed out, the Democratic Party cannot claim any high ground from 150 years ago is theirs today. That would truly be moronic of you.
Reid isn't citing the positions on slavery of ANY particular party from 150 years ago..... He's metaphorically comparing the Reps stance on healthcare today to THOSE LAWMAKERS who opposed the abolition of slavery.... (Again, note that he doesn't say, "Those REPUBLICANS" or "Those DEMOCRATS" that opposed the abolition of slavery.....).
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Originally Posted by Predos
It has everything to do with what Reid said. He is trying to use the race card from 150 years ago and equate it with todays political parties. If you do not have a problem with this type statement, then you are part of the problem.
No he isn't. He's comparing the Republicans stance on this issue with a particular stance of 150 years ago (without any mention of parties)....
To re-iterate, I'm not saying what Reid said is kosher either. MY point (which you inexplicably take exception to) is that today's Republican's don't deserve ANY props for what the Republican party did in 1860 as it isn't even the same party!!! And yes, that goes for Dems too... The Dems of today don't deserve ANY credit OR blame for stances taken by Dems in 1860......
If you follow the evolution of the parties you would see that they have more or less flip-flopped on which is conservative and which is liberal, etc...
Please quote SOMETHING that backs what you're saying....
Jadex said the following:
"Honestly thats what gets me about blacks that just blindly follow the democrat party, They are following the party that wanted them to remain slaves. It makes no sense to me"
No, it doesn't work EITHER way. Reid is comparing the Republican's stance on the healthcare bill to "LAWMAKER'S" stances on slavery in 1860.... NOTICE THE ABSENCE OF MENTION OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY FROM THE 1860s THERE?.... IT IS THE KEY TO WHAT I'M SAYING...
Reid's statement is foolish in it's own right, but Jadex' suggestion was twice as a$$inine IMO.... You seem to have a problem differentiating the two... In fact, it's your inability to do so which has us in this discussion in the first place...
Reid isn't citing the positions on slavery of ANY particular party from 150 years ago..... He's metaphorically comparing the Reps stance on healthcare today to THOSE LAWMAKERS who opposed the abolition of slavery.... (Again, note that he doesn't say, "Those REPUBLICANS" or "Those DEMOCRATS" that opposed the abolition of slavery.....).
No he isn't. He's comparing the Republicans stance on this issue with a particular stance of 150 years ago (without any mention of parties)....
To re-iterate, I'm not saying what Reid said is kosher either. MY point (which you inexplicably take exception to) is that today's Republican's don't deserve ANY props for what the Republican party did in 1860 as it isn't even the same party!!! And yes, that goes for Dems too... The Dems of today don't deserve ANY credit OR blame for stances taken by Dems in 1860......
If you follow the evolution of the parties you would see that they have more or less flip-flopped on which is conservative and which is liberal, etc...
Can you say total denial? Got them Reid goggles on to tight there.
Can you say total denial? Got them Reid goggles on to tight there.
I could give two craps about Reid.... My comment was regarding Jadex's assertions. You're the one trying to say Reid said essentially the same thing to which I replied he did nothing of the sort...
You took exception to that. I'm showing you the difference.
Methinks you confused yourself somewhere along the line.
Yes, and times have changed. Which is why 95% of the descendants of those slaves vote for Democrats and why there have been 90 African American members of Congress since 1920 who were Democrats and 3 (that's three) who were Republicans.
The Black Republican Caucus doesn't exist because there aren't any.
You are trying to deflect, the facts are, it was the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that filibustered and/or opposed ending slavery, anti-linching laws, and the civil rights acts, and Democrats like Bull Connor who turned fire hoses and dogs on blacks.
I could give two craps about Reid.... My comment was regarding Jadex's assertions. You're the one trying to say Reid said essentially the same thing to which I replied he did nothing of the sort...
You took exception to that. I'm showing you the difference.
Methinks you confused yourself somewhere along the line.
Majority of blacks dont vote for the party that wanted them to remain slaves? You seem to have a problem with my statement
If the Republicans had wanted to be a part of the process, they could have been a part of it for the 8 years prior during which they controlled the White House and effectively controlled the Congress. They simply don't want to do anything to change the system we have.
I guess it depends on how you define "the process". If by "process" you mean an attempt to put the government in charge of one-sixth of the US economy by moving us toward a single-payer health care system, then you're right. The Republicans didn't spend the last 8 years trying to do that. Instead they proposed measures that would actually help reduce the cost of health care and, by extension, the cost of health insurance. Those measures, such as tort reform and allowing the sale of insurance policies across state lines, were opposed by the Dems. Because the Repubs did not have the majorities needed to pass these measures over the opposition of the Dems nothing was done and the health care "crisis" deepened. Now the Dems, who are partially responsible for creating that crisis want to ride to the rescue to solve it. As Rahm said, a good crisis is a terrible thing to waste--especially one you helped create.
I am so over this idiot. Cannot stand looking at him, never mind hearing his sad speeches, blaming everyone else for his and the administrations problems, i get sick of it, don't know about many of you, but the man gets on my freakin nerves.
The democrats are engaging in the same tactics that made the GOP so despised under Bush.
Reid need to realize it was the republicans that ended slaver. it was LBJ and the republicans that passed civil rights.
Blaming others will only go so far. I think he has gone as far as he can blaming others
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