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I support the idea of UHC, based on my christian beliefs, but I'm not going to try and quote scripture to support it. It's a gray area in the faith. To their credit, many who oppose UHC do help the poor personally.
That said, Christians are silent on this issue, the way they usually are when it comes to social justice and human rights. We never talk about it, but focus on only two issues to the exclusion of the rest. And then we pat ourselves on our backs, thinking what good christians we are.
Please ask yourself three questions:
1. What's the difference between an 9 month old fetus and a 1 month old child?
2. Why do we demand that the government protect one but not the other?
3. How can we call ourselves consistent if we don't want to protect both?
I asked myself these questions, and that's why I fully support UHC as a christian. I cannot oppose it and face Jesus with a clean conscience. Simply being anti-abortion does not make you pro-life.
As a Christian, I agree with providing basic health care not coverage to those that can't afford it, which is what we do already. Nobody is denied care in our system today. Let me give you an example.
I chose not to pay $1500 a month for COBRA while I was looking for work. My son suffered 2nd degree burns on his hand while making Top Ramen. They were not bad, so we were keeping them clean and dressed. His school nurse saw his had and asked what had happened. She made an appointment for him at a local clinic. I took him to the clinic, they looked at him cleaned the burn gave us some suave and a follow-up visit. I offered to pay for the visits. The would only let me pay $10.00 for the visits and $5.00 for the suave to be put on once a day. They said that is all they could charge me because I did not have health insurance.
Most people do not realize what a scam health insurance is. Most people pay far, far, more in premiums, copays, prescriptions than they would each year if they paid out of pocket. This is why many young healthy people and families choose to pay out of pocket instead of pay a premium each month. Unless your employer pays 100% you more than likely are spending more on health insurance than you would on your health care costs.
Under the government plan those people that are smart enough to see through the scam will be punished if the choose to pay out of pocket. The government plan, like most services the government provides, is full of useless beaucracies, expanded government, pork, so much that it is just useless and a waste of tax payer money. If the government was really just wanting to provide coverage for those that don't have it the cost would be a small fraction of what their plan would cost and government would not be intruding once more into our lives.
Christians around the world say "how will that help my fellow man" Christians in America say "how will that help me"
Problem with Christians in America is they have no Christian values.
Although you are incorrect to say all Christians in America I would agree that with the Mega-Church's influence on today's so-called Christians, we have fallen short of what God called us to do.
There are however plenty of small churches out there that do put there money where their mouth is and do what God asks the church to do. I go to one myself. They don't have all the fancy dressings. There main focus is to spread the Gospel and feed, take care of the less fortunate among the community. You can't reach people with the Gospel if the have no food or place to sleep. Provide those basics first and you will go a long way.
We are a country of excess. That is why our poor by world standards are not really poor. Only our extrme poor are truly poor. I would rather be poor in America than most other countries.
I'm sure the salaries and perks of bureaucrats will eat up a significant portion of the overall funding of a UHC.
That is exactly the problem! When the government gets involved and all the cronies with their hands out get their share there is little left for the people that truly have the need.
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Yes, it is hard for a rich person to become saved due to the fact that money often has a great hold on their life and their riches can blind them to their need of a savior BUT as the passage states, "with God all things are possible" Salvation is based upon repentance of sin and accepting Jesus' free gift of salvation. In order to do that, a person must recognize their need of a savior and believe that Jesus paid the penalty of sin on the cross.
Thank you for clarifying, and context is everything. The Bible is so often twisted by both believers and non-believers to suit their agendas.
Read the bible story about the good Samaritan. Are you too walking on the other side of the road to avoid helping out the sick man?
Everything you guys are posting is about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY not government. Try understanding that. We are held accountable for our PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY not what we wrongly ascribe to our government. Please stop trying to make this a Bibilical mandate for our government because it is not, plain and simple. If you would like to erase the seperation of church and state I can give you scripture upon scripture about what I would like our government to do acording to the Bible. You can't have it both ways!
Well since the concept of socialism didn't appear until the 19th century, I can understand why. However, the principles embodied in any socialist theory that I know of seems to be far more Christian than Christian capitalism.
Hmmm that must be the New Republican Bible...
Matthew 19:24,
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
I know the bible, so puleeze enlighten us.
Well I would agree with you on that one.
My favorite Wall Street/Republican bible verse of the day.
James 5:1-6. Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten. ...Behold, the pay of the laborers who mowed your fields, and with you have withheld, cries out against you; and the outcry of the harvesters has reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of wanton pleasure; you have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter.
I won't argue when people take things out of context, context is everything.
BTW can we find all scripture where it advises us to act on something and apply it to our government? There goes the separation of church and state!
You can't have it both ways. Either the Bible is ascribing it's teachings to us as individuals or to our government. Which would you prefer?
You folks do know that there are also many Christians that do support healthcare reform, or do you? For anyone to say Christians all think this way or that is ludicrous to the extreme.
Casper
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