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Old 10-22-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'm quite capable on my own. Here's another little nugget to make people wonder. American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network: Funding for NIH Cancer Research Program Positive Step Toward Winning Cancer Battle

Five billion $ of stimulus money is going into cancer research. How much do you think will be steered the American Cancer Society's way for jumping on the Obama healthcare bandwagon? This is a disgrace.
I think you should wait until something like that happens before you scream "disgrace". By law, nonprofits are not supposed to take political positions.
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Old 10-22-2009, 06:09 PM
 
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I reread this and Rush was actually support the position of physicians and the American Cancer Society. My apologies to Rush! Screening tests are important and to somehow limit the number of screening test and readjusting requirements to save money is assinine.
I would think that as a practicing physician you would have read the link to the Journal of New England Medicine instead of running off to Rush's website. But then I'm just a layman so what do I know.
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Old 10-22-2009, 06:16 PM
 
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I would think that as a practicing physician you would have read the link to the Journal of New England Medicine instead of running off to Rush's website. But then I'm just a layman so what do I know.
We've already read these articles. These "controversies" are news to the lay public not us. We have known about these controversies for years. They are recommendations and people who practice medicine understand that pathology doesn't follow strict guidelines. You have to treat patients on a case by case basis. If the urologist didn't draw a PSA on the 43 yo patient, he would have died. The screening recommendation is to draw a PSA starting at the age of 50. Thankfully that's why you and the lay public does not treat and see patients
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Old 10-22-2009, 06:20 PM
 
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So tell me the difference between an insurance company telling my dr that they know better and deny a test and the government telling my dr that they know better and deny a test.

It is the same thing, isn't it? Beurocrats who put the bottom line above lives?
It's not the gov't or the insurance company... it's a study from researchers...

If you think they're wrong you're welcome to read the study and dispute their research methods since they should be contained within.
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Old 10-22-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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By law, nonprofits are not supposed to take political positions.

Uh, huh. What's this? American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network

They're just being helpful, right?
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:18 PM
 
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It's not the gov't or the insurance company... it's a study from researchers...

If you think they're wrong you're welcome to read the study and dispute their research methods since they should be contained within.
That study is disputing guidelines. What you don't understand is that they are recommendations and guidelines. They are not strict enforcement of treatment. Physicians use these guidelines to have a framework in mind but they always make adjustments and make their own decision based on their own medical judgement and each patient's unique circumstances. If I believe a patient requires a certain screening test, I'm going to order if it means it can help them regardless if they fit perfectly within some guideline.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:23 PM
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No, it's not suspicious because this has been talked about for a few years now. Nothing new.
This has been talked about for a few years now? Funny, I've never heard this before. Please show us some older articles stating this. Thanks.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:24 PM
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I understand being against this administrations policies, i get that. I also understand your concerns for the deficits and the cost of this health care package, i get that too. What i do not get is this beating of the drum on a wreckless statement concerning a deadly disease
It has ALWAYS been a focus by the Cancer Society as well as the Health department and CDC that everyone should get checked early ...but more importantly for things like Prostate and Breast Cancer. Tell you what, why don't you two ask a person that didn't get tested in time if they feel this is suspicious timing.

My mother - in law didn't and as of today she was moved to hospice care, we're just in a waiting pattern for her to let go.
Dude, you don't even know what you're saying. The drums being beat are by you because what they said went completely over your head there scholar.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:24 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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This has been talked about for a few years now? Funny, I've never heard this before. Please show us some older articles stating this. Thanks.
Have you read the whole thread yet or were you just chomping at the bit to reply to me? Go thru the thread.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:27 PM
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An intelligent person would go beyond the headlines and certainly wouldn't rely on Rush Limbaugh for information (and conspiracy theories) about the two multi-year and conflicting studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine, regarding very specific forms of cancer screening.

So instead of rushing off to Rush to uncover some nefarious fantasy of a plot, an intelligent person, in the age of the internet, would simply Google New England Journal Medicine cancer screening and you would get the following:

Benefits and harms of widespread PSA test use still unclear - JAAPA: Official Journal of the American Academy of Physician Assistants

But that is what an intelligent person would do.
oh yeah, you're so smart.... Like everyone would just automatically know to include New England Journal of Medicine in their search.....
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