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Old 10-22-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Haven't we been berated as a society and a culture from the American Heart Association to the American Cancer Society, you name it? We have been beat over the head. "We must get tested! We must get tested early. We must get tested early and often! We must, we must, we must! You must, you must, you must! It will save us money. We will find ways to treat cancers before they become deadly, and we will save money."

Now all of a sudden it's overrated? Does the timing of this make anybody suspicious? Here we are in the midst of a free fall in support Obama's health care plan, not just the public option, but everything that's in it. And part of this is, "Well, too many tests are going on out there." Obama is running around saying (summarized) "We have too many tests and doctors are amputating too many feet and taking out too many tonsils to line their pockets -- and there's too much testing going on out there, and unnecessary tests are taking place, and this is driving up the costs," and just now conveniently here we are in the midst of the free fall in support, we get the American Cancer Society saying that there are "risks in early screenings and that the benefits of detecting many cancer..." Get that. "Detecting" means finding!

Suspicious Timing: Value of Early Cancer Screening "Overstated"?


Rush is completely right...Obama likes European health care and I've written before from my experience in Europe...only mammograms after the age of 50 or in case of a suspicious lumb...pap smear test only after the age of 30 (one of my family members was lucky to have it tested on request and was tested positive at the age of 27 and being cured)...prostate exams only when a male has certain complains....

It is cheaper to let some one die than to do all these test...wait for Obama care and you get your proof your self or be smart and vote for reform....

Ins. to be bought over State lines, limit the lawsuits and go after health care fraud, and you will have the money to ins. many more people without taken our rights from us!
Weigh Prostate Screening Recommendations : NPR

Cancer Society Shifts Stance On Screenings : NPR

There has long been talk about the value of prostate screenings, at least for the past 10 years. Both the prostate cancer and breast cancer recommendations are research based, something Rush wouldn't know anything about.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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Haven't we been berated as a society and a culture from the American Heart Association to the American Cancer Society, you name it...blah, blah, blah...
Rush is completely right...Obama
One would think that a person of at least average intelligence would seek out information important to their health from at the very least a reputable source. In this case, in stead of going no further than the headlines and most certainly seeking information from somewhere other than Rush Limbaugh, the average intelligent person would Google one of the world's most prestigious medical journals. the New England Journal of Medicine, cancer screening, which would give them the URL for a synopsis of the two conflicting multi-year studies that the Journal recently published.

Benefits and harms of widespread PSA test use still unclear - JAAPA: Official Journal of the American Academy of Physician Assistants

That is what an intelligent person would do.
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Old 10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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Weigh Prostate Screening Recommendations : NPR

Cancer Society Shifts Stance On Screenings : NPR

There has long been talk about the value of prostate screenings, at least for the past 10 years. Both the prostate cancer and breast cancer recommendations are research based, something Rush wouldn't know anything about.
Thanks for posting those links, I mentioned earlier that this has been talked about for years now. I suspect the OP just doesn't want to hear about it & will still blame it all on Obama.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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Weigh Prostate Screening Recommendations : NPR

Cancer Society Shifts Stance On Screenings : NPR

There has long been talk about the value of prostate screenings, at least for the past 10 years. Both the prostate cancer and breast cancer recommendations are research based, something Rush wouldn't know anything about.

This could be said for both sides of the aisle. The way both the Pro-democrats and pro-republicans are gravitating to subjects to try and make their point is pathetic when they make wreckless statements about something so serious.
Maybe i'm being overly sensative because it hits close to home, but I for one have a mamogram once a year and if I feel something is not right with my body i will go back to have it checked. I plan to grow old watching my children continue to succeed.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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OH!!!!- Thank You!!

I cannot believe this is not some conspiracy born from the mind of Rham Emmanuel.
If it were, Rham deserves far more credit than he has ever been given to date. To have the foresight to have to studies conducted before Obama even announced that he was running, and to have them both completed, peer reviewed and published just at the height of the health care debate (which is behind schedule I might add) is genius on a level not yet seen in politics before of perhaps ever again.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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This could be said for both sides of the aisle. The way both the Pro-democrats and pro-republicans are gravitating to subjects to try and make their point is pathetic when they make wreckless statements about something so serious.
Maybe i'm being overly sensative because it hits close to home, but I for one have a mamogram once a year and if I feel something is not right with my body i will go back to have it checked. I plan to grow old watching my children continue to succeed.
I assumed you were a male, LOL, sorry!
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Here is an article from 1996. Now just how many years ago was that?

JAMA -- Abstract: Controversies in Prostate Cancer Screening: Analogies to the Early Lung Cancer Screening Debate, December 25, 1996, Collins and Barry 276 (24): 1976

The current debate regarding early detection and aggressive treatment of prostate cancer is fueled by the absence of controlled studies defining the risks and benefits of prostate cancer screening, and by the lack of adequately powered trials demonstrating the benefit of curative treatment for early-stage prostate cancer.

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These arguments, however, are reminiscent of earlier arguments in favor of lung cancer screening with chest x-ray examination and sputum cytology, a practice ultimately proven ineffective in clinical trials.
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:04 PM
 
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It is very interesting indeed. But watch the Lefties come on now and slam Rush for bringing this up.

All of a sudden catching cancer in its early stages is not important.

What a society we live in!
Rush brought it up? It was on NPR! (See my links above)
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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I assumed you were a male, LOL, sorry!

lol...Nope Female
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Old 10-22-2009, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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We have been beat over the head. "We must get tested! We must get tested early. We must get tested early and often! We must, we must, we must! You must, you must, you must! It will save us money. We will find ways to treat cancers before they become deadly, and we will save money."
Follow the money. Who benefits from all this testing and screening and pro-active medication ?

Don't always believe everything you hear..especially if it's all coming from the same group who benefit the most from it.

Yearly checkup like the old days may just well be good enough.
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