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Old 10-11-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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I would suggest to you that you did not see two guys - service members, walking hand in and on any military base - or, in a combat zone. AND, if by some chance you did -there was every likelihood they would get fragged.
Then the guys who are so insecure about their sexuality are the ones who have problems. I'd actually love to see some statistics on gay on straight crime, wouldn't you? As far as I can think of, I don't recall gay men starting fights w/straight men simply because they're straight. But hmmm, you hear about it all the time w/the straight men fighting w/gay men. Now, think about that....who do you think has the problem?
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Then the guys who are so insecure about their sexuality are the ones who have problems.
That is not really the issue.

I presume you have never been in the military??
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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That is not really the issue.

I presume you have never been in the military??
Nope, no military. And yes, that is the issue, isn't it? You're the one who brought it up about the consequences of being gay in the military. Like I said, they are the ones w/the problem if they can't handle serving w/a gay man. They don't deserve to be in the military, perhaps they should get discharged if the concept of team is hindered by their homophobia.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Nope, no military. And yes, that is the issue, isn't it? You're the one who brought it up about the consequences of being gay in the military. Like I said, they are the ones w/the problem if they can't handle serving w/a gay man. They don't deserve to be in the military, perhaps they should get discharged if the concept of team is hindered by their homophobia.
The fact of the matter is, you are not going to change the culture of the military. And frankly, if you are in a firefight, you don't want these types of issues lingering over everything.

The "homophobia" as you call it is going to remain in the military - thats a fact.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: California
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The military promotes a "lifestyle" of it's own so straight, gay, or other, will always take second position to that. I don't think it will harm combat units since there are already gays there anyway. As far as men walking hand in hand on base or whatever...is that what heterosexuals do now? If so, what's the diff? Homophobia will be mostly stamped out once it comes out in the open since nobody really wants to dwell on the sexuality of others.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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The fact of the matter is, you are not going to change the culture of the military. And frankly, if you are in a firefight, you don't want these types of issues lingering over everything.

The "homophobia" as you call it is going to remain in the military - thats a fact.
I see, so in the middle of a firefight, someone's going to be worried that gay Tom is going to come up behind them? LOL, I'm sure that's the first thing gay Tom is thinking about in the middle of battle. LOL.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I see, so in the middle of a firefight, someone's going to be worried that gay Tom is going to come up behind them? LOL, I'm sure that's the first thing gay Tom is thinking about in the middle of battle. LOL.
Actually, "Gay Tom" (in your words) might find that their 6 is not being watched.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Demystifying and education might help those uber phobes. There ARE gay Marines. Big tough guys, too. There are many latent homosexuals in the military, as well. Don't flaunt it ? Should we tell heteros to not flaunt their heterosexuality, and to do so "gives the military a bad image." Maybe if people focused on substance, and not percieved image, we might not have so many problems. I doubt that a straight or gay man will be traipsing around base in a gold or glittered jewel hugger.
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Actually, "Gay Tom" (in your words) might find that their 6 is not being watched.

Is that what they call it nowadays ? I guess the new term won't be "kiss my a**" but "Watch my 6"
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Old 10-11-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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I do not personally agree w/ the homosexual lifestyle
I don't agree with blue eyes. It's just as logical.

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As long as the lifestyle is not pushed onto others, what is the issue?
Wondering what you mean by "pushing" it onto others. You mean, like the way that heterosexual couples kiss and fondle each other in public, wear wedding rings and engagement rings, and talk about their relationships ad nauseum in front of strangers?

If anyone's pushed their "lifestyle" on anyone, it's heterosexuals. Nearly all of us are raised with the expectation that we'll be heterosexual, and if we're not, we're treated as if there's something wrong with us.

Get real.
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