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Old 05-02-2009, 04:15 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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How about a consenting gay couple cannot marry? A consenting heterosexual couple can.


yes they can, they can still get married to someone of the opposite sex very easy.
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Old 05-02-2009, 04:25 AM
 
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yes they can, they can still get married to someone of the opposite sex very easy.
Not so easy. I've debunked this. Straight people can marry the one they fall in love with and to whom they are sexually attracted. Gay people cannot do this.

- Reel
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Old 05-02-2009, 04:29 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Not so easy. I've debunked this. Straight people can marry the one they fall in love with and to whom they are sexually attracted. Gay people cannot do this.

- Reel

Personally I think that marriage is the pervue of the church and the state and federal goverment should stay out of it. but civil unons is in the state and federal goverments pervue and they can regulate that anyway they feel they want too.
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Old 05-02-2009, 04:35 AM
 
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Personally I think that marriage is the pervue of the church and the state and federal goverment should stay out of it. but civil unons is in the state and federal goverments pervue and they can regulate that anyway they feel they want too.
Well said. All 'marriages' should be civil unions and should include gays. If someone wants to get married (a religious ceremony), they are more than welcome to do so at their local church. If the local church wants to exclude gays from the religious ceremony of marriage then more power to them.

- Reel
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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well they can't file joint tax returns,
they can be denied hospital visitation
if a partner dies they have no automatic provisions for inheritance
They aren't guaranteed spousal health benefits either
they can be fired for being gay as it is not protected

is that enough?
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:26 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Hmmmmmmmm. Nope...can't think of any.
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Old 05-02-2009, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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You notice he wrote "...of man." He did not write, "Marriage is one of the basic constitutional rights.
If you take man to mean "male" as opposed to the more common interpretation of "person" wouldn't that suggest he only supports gay marriage (and not straight or lesbian marriage)?

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  • Gays cannot file jointly as a married couples at both the state and federal level
I think only someone named "I like taxes" would find this one upsetting. I do find it upsetting that the federal government goes out of its way to diminish privileges granted by certain states (like mine), but filing singly is decidedly less costly either of the married options (at least for approximately equal wage earners).

I was going to cleverly say "none in my state" until someone pointed out that the federal government doesn't recognize all of the marriages performed here (which, as a conservative, makes me a little angry).

This thread, of course, can never reach agreement, because any of the different ways that a gay person is treated differently by the government will not be considered to affect a right.
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Old 05-02-2009, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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So gee I guess if Gay folks were not allowed to vote then that would just be "government policy" eh?



Ken
No, it would be law, not policy.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:03 AM
 
Location: where my heart is
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Default These hospitals are jerks

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From a few months ago, in Florida:
"As her partner of 17 years slipped into a coma, Janice Langbehn pleaded with doctors and anyone who would listen to let her into the woman's hospital room.

Eight anguishing hours passed before Langbehn would be allowed into Jackson Memorial Hospital's Ryder Trauma Center. By then, she could only say her final farewell as a priest performed the last rites on 39-year-old Lisa Marie Pond."
Gay woman fights over hospital visitation rights in Miami court - Living - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/277/story/892447.html - broken link)
Period. When my Dad was in Intensive Care, the hospital wouldn't let my husband in to see him; only spouses, as in the case you mentioned, and BLOOD relatives. My Mom and I raised quite a ruckus at that hospital. The hospital relented.

Apparently, if a blood relative could have fought for her, they might have relented.

It should not be this way. People should be able to be the the side of their loved ones; marriage or no marriage, blood relative or no blood relative.
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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I have one the fact that god, or for those that dont beleive, mother nature made straight people normal.gay and lasbains,well they are a freak of nature Even the animals know what to do when thier young are born abnormal,in order to protect thier species, they abandon them,and left to die. we have to protect our species thats our mother nature right.between abortion and theese freaks the human race would die off
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