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Works for me. As long as it is voluntary, I don't view this as eugenics. I can see an instance where a drug addict would eventually sober up and cry about lost fertility and attempt to sue on grounds that she was a vulnerable adult due to her addiction. Worth the risk, though.
But then I do have a low opinion of drug addicts. Scammers, liars and manipulators all in my experience.
Works for me. As long as it is voluntary, I don't view this as eugenics. I can see an instance where a drug addict would eventually sober up and cry about lost fertility and attempt to sue on grounds that she was a vulnerable adult due to her addiction. Worth the risk, though.
But then I do have a low opinion of drug addicts. Scammers, liars and manipulators all in my experience.
My experience with drug addicts are severly damaged people who have trouble going through life without a buffer of some sort. Life is either to painful or overwhelming to them. Usually do to some childhood trauma or incompetent parenting and being abused by someone.
I do think it being volunteer is a great way to start off, and no permanent sterilization because that is just WRONG.
I dont think this is a good idea - next step, sterilization ala that politician in Louisiana who not only was pushing that for people who didnt meet a certain income level but suggested tax breaks for folks who met a higher one. LaBruzzo.
1) takers would have to register with the money-giving group and it's better that eugenics-minded people dont know your name or your medical history
2) $300, that would cover what? How much does the birth control cost that they have in mind? They're buying birth control plus three hundred dollars?
3) Why do they want to get so involved? Why not just drop off a bunch of vouchers at the [likeliest place to find the targets, I mean intended recipients] for free birth control?
4) Or use the money to create clean-up places for addicted girls and women to come and stay?
My experience with drug addicts are severly damaged people who have trouble going through life without a buffer of some sort. Life is either to painful or overwhelming to them. Usually do to some childhood trauma or incompetent parenting and being abused by someone.
I do think it being volunteer is a great way to start off, and no permanent sterilization because that is just WRONG.
Don't believe the sob stories. Not all have been abused or had been traumatized. I think that there are a substantial amount who just are addicted for no 'good reason'. Genetics may play a part, as well as mental disorders such as bi polar.
Nonetheless, as someone has lived my entire life with an addict - as well as being around his addict friends as an adult - I very sincerely warn you that these people can be extremely manipulative and they will use you for everything (usually money) that they can.
But yes, I do agree that they should not be sterilized. I do believe in the possibility of change, and I would hate for someone to clean up their life only to realize that they sold their fertility for $300.
Don't believe the sob stories. Not all have been abused or had been traumatized. I think that there are a substantial amount who just are addicted for no 'good reason'. Genetics may play a part, as well as mental disorders such as bi polar.
Nonetheless, as someone has lived my entire life with an addict - as well as being around his addict friends as an adult - I very sincerely warn you that these people can be extremely manipulative and they will use you for everything (usually money) that they can.
But yes, I do agree that they should not be sterilized. I do believe in the possibility of change, and I would hate for someone to clean up their life only to realize that they sold their fertility for $300.
Actually my father is an drug addiction specialist and got his Phd from Columbia Univ School of Social Work. I've worked at his office when i was younger and i pretty much know what drug addicts are like since i've been around them my whole life.
There are a few who just like to get high with no other issues, but those are called recreational/weekend users usually.
The one who are hardcore addicts who want to be clean and cannot and fail over and over again always have deeper deeper issues that drugs is just covering up.
PS i understand while on drugs they cannot be trusted. but that is the drugs speaking, not their true selves.
I dont think this is a good idea - net step, sterilization ala that politician in Louisiana who not only was pushing that for people who didnt meet a certain income level but suggested tax breaks for folks who met a higher one. LaBruzzo.
1) takers would have to register with the money-giving group and it's better that eugenics-minded people dont know your name or your medical history
Yes, I'll agree with that. How can a person expect to make a clean start at some point if her name is forever on some data base as having been a crack head? This should be anonymous.
2) $300, that would cover what? How much does the birth control cost that they have in mind? They're buying birth control plus three hundred dollars?
I have no idea, but depo provera would be the best for these women. They are not likely to remember to take the pill or to insist on their partner(s) to wear condoms.
3) Why do they want to get so involved? Why not just drop off a bunch of vouchers at the [likeliest place to find the targets, I mean intended recipients] for free birth control?
Like at Planned Parenthood? Or a crackhouse? Not being flippant, I am wondering how you would propose to target these women?
4) Or use the money to create clean-up places for addicted girls and women to come and stay?
Sadly, you cannot clean up people who want to remain addicted. You cannot force someone to go straight. If only that was all it took........I do wish though, that there were more places for addicts to go who are ready to go through detox and rehab without insurance. Those places are few and far between, sadly.
Actually my father is an drug addiction specialist and got his Phd from Columbia Univ School of Social Work. I've worked at his office when i was younger and i pretty much know what drug addicts are like since i've been around them my whole life.
There are a few who just like to get high with no other issues, but those are called recreational/weekend users usually.
The one who are hardcore addicts who want to be clean and cannot and fail over and over again always have deeper deeper issues that drugs is just covering up.
Working at your Dads office during the summer is hardly knowing what life is like with an addict.
Also, I would assume that since these addicts are coming to your father, they must want to be clean on some level. That is a different sort entirely then addicts in the depths of their addiction.
One of my older brothers is an addict and has been for 35 + years. I can say with certainty that he was not abused, nor does he have a traumatic past. He also doesn't want to sleep with our mother nor does he have penis envy of our father
He may have bipolar, but really at this stage in the game it is much too hard to say which came first -- the disease or the addiction? Pot, meth, coke, heroin, alcohol, gambling, you name it he is addicted to it. He is also addicted to the very criminal lifestyle that he leads. He likes the excitement, despises the 'straight' life. When he is in prison he sees the light, wants a job to be clean etc...Once out, his priorities change.
Again, I do see and have met addicts who change their lives around. I have met addicts whose lives would make you weep. I have also met addicts who like their lives as is. I have met addicts who will take you for what they can get. And I have met addicts who abuse and/or neglect their children.
I've been a proponent of this idea forever.
I wouldn't mind seeing it extended (and the amount increased) to people on public assistance.
I believe it would drastically cut down on child abuse cases so I'm for it, but make it permanent sterilization in exchange for $200 to $300. And yes, the last thing someone on welfare or food stamps needs is more kids for the taxpayers to support.
My experience with drug addicts are severly damaged people who have trouble going through life without a buffer of some sort. Life is either to painful or overwhelming to them. Usually do to some childhood trauma or incompetent parenting and being abused by someone.
I do think it being volunteer is a great way to start off, and no permanent sterilization because that is just WRONG.
If they are offered $200 or $300 in exchange for permanent sterilization, that is voluntary and not wrong. Or it's no more wrong than healthy employed people paying themselves to be sterilized which many do.
People should not be forced into having children, if they prefer to take $200 (or pay $200) and give up their fertility, it should not be a problem to anyone.
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