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While I too see it as a big step back, I'm not so concerned about it. Disappointed yes, embarrassed yes. I don't see our country existing much longer and whatever replaces it, after the dust settles and the jackboots have stopped marching, gay people will be regarded as equals. Love between humans will reign in the end and it won't matter what stripe it is.
I can't argue with that. A lot of this is melodrama and visceral reactions. You being an INTJ, maybe you can see that more easily, and see past the horizon better than some of us. I'm quite the INFJ, if I remember correctly. But at the end of the day, I have to admit that you're right, I think--it's really only a matter of time, and I'm not even sure that this indicates that it'll take all that much longer than we'd thought. Some of us are just so down about it in spite of the fact that we know it'll work itself out.
Of course, it would be good for me to get into those visceral reactions. Very cleansing in an emotional way. I'd be there burning buildings, pounding on passing cars, and screaming racial and religious slurs like a real bigot. OK, in my head, it sounded better. Yes, I'm mad that America is so ignorant and that people still feel compelled to oppose things which don't impact them. We really are not much of a UNITED states and we probably never will be.
boo hoo hoo, a liberal bill didnt pass. I note that liberals have no problem with making me pay for all of their liberal programs, and then when one liberal bill fails, its due to bigots, ignorance etc..
You want me to support liberal gay marriages because it doesnt affect me, fine, when will you support my rights to keep my own money that I truly did work for?
Of course, it would be good for me to get into those visceral reactions. Very cleansing in an emotional way. I'd be there burning buildings, pounding on passing cars, and screaming racial and religious slurs like a real bigot. OK, in my head, it sounded better. Yes, I'm mad that America is so ignorant and that people still feel compelled to oppose things which don't impact them. We really are not much of a UNITED states and we probably never will be.
Maybe America isn't ignorant, but hanging on to the last moral threads of decency.
Don't change our traditional definitions to suit the few, which hate and would love to destroy the traditional and moral family values.
Marriage means many things, even becoming one by having children, which two of the same sex cannot do.
Though some (very few) are procreation challenged, and even fewer choose to not have children, the majority do, and they form families from their marital union.
Gays wanting to redefine my Marriage is selfish, and does nothing but make a mockery of traditional institutions and laws that have existed since time began. It is rediculous to call two same sex people married... they don't use the right parts to make marriage (oneness).
boo hoo hoo, a liberal bill didnt pass. I note that liberals have no problem with making me pay for all of their liberal programs, and then when one liberal bill fails, its due to bigots, ignorance etc..
You should note that not all who desire a same-sex marriage are liberal. They certainly aren't all fiscally liberal.
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You want me to support liberal gay marriages because it doesnt affect me, fine, when will you support my rights to keep my own money that I truly did work for?
Really unrelated issues. It wouldn't make sense for me to say "You want to eliminate any and all restrictions on gun ownership? Abolish capital punishment in the U.S.!" Just doesn't make sense. Separate issues...should be dealt with separately.
You should note that not all who desire a same-sex marriage are liberal. They certainly aren't all fiscally liberal.
Really unrelated issues. It wouldn't make sense for me to say "You want to eliminate any and all restrictions on gun ownership? Abolish capital punishment in the U.S.!" Just doesn't make sense. Separate issues...should be dealt with separately.
So now things like welfare, abortion, "spreading the wealth", national health care, and now gay marriages are not liberal issues?
I want to know why liberals are so dam selfish. Its all about them. Kill the baby, take my money, spread the wealth, (provided of course its not with your money), limit what people can drive, buy, now marry people who you cant marry. Its all about YOU, and I'm sick and tired of hearing liberals complain because someone else has a difference of opinion on an issue and dont want to have to explain to their children why gay is wrong, even though they see it going on every single day.. It has NOTHING to do with religion for me, its just wrong..
Your views are so archaic, it's not even funny. Marriage has changed over the years in many ways. Marriage used to be a form of slavery, where the father transferred ownership of his daughter to her husband. Is this the kind of "traditional" marriage you're rooting for?
"Becoming one by having children" - does this mean that infertile couples don't have the right to get married? Let's stone them to death right now then, simply because they can't procreate and add to the overpopulation of our planet.
A loving, committed, monogamous relationship has the right to call itself a marriage, period. Gay people are just the same as anyone else, except for their sexual orientation, which has nothing to do with you. Someone else's marriage has no impact on your life whatsoever.
I can't believe it's 2008, and this garbage is still being spouted. I can't wait until gay marriage is legal throughout the entire country, so everyone will see that the world won't end.
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Maybe America isn't ignorant, but hanging on to the last moral threads of decency.
Don't change our traditional definitions to suit the few, which hate and would love to destroy the traditional and moral family values.
Marriage means many things, even becoming one by having children, which two of the same sex cannot do.
Though some (very few) are procreation challenged, and even fewer choose to not have children, the majority do, and they form families from their marital union.
Gays wanting to redefine my Marriage is selfish, and does nothing but make a mockery of traditional institutions and laws that have existed since time began. It is rediculous to call two same sex people married... they don't use the right parts to make marriage (oneness).
So now things like welfare, abortion, "spreading the wealth", national health care, and now gay marriages are not liberal issues?
I'm not sure I can think of anything that is exclusively liberal or conservative. People aren't that black-and-white for sure. Welfare is an economic issue, while abortion is a social one. Some are fiscally conservative but socially liberal, and on and on. Those who are socially liberal tend to be in favor of same-sex marriage, but some of them are fiscally conservative and sometimes socially conservative on other issues. Example: I know some who are adamantly pro-life and want to overturn Roe v. Wade but are in favor of legalized same-sex marriage.
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I want to know why liberals are so dam selfish. Its all about them. Kill the baby, take my money, spread the wealth, (provided of course its not with your money), limit what people can drive, buy, now marry people who you cant marry. Its all about YOU, and I'm sick and tired of hearing liberals complain because someone else has a difference of opinion on an issue and dont want to have to explain to their children why gay is wrong, even though they see it going on every single day.. It has NOTHING to do with religion for me, its just wrong..
I want to know how you can generalize about people so much, giving them so little credit for having minds of their own to consider all these issues independently of how the media presents them, their friends feel about them, etc. That's all you're doing in that paragraph.
As for the bit about children--same-sex marriage being legal or illegal is not going to have little or no effect, as far as I can tell, on the likelihood of you and your child running across a same-sex couple holding hands or something along those lines. The idea that not all people are heterosexual is probably going to be floating around in any child's mind regardless.
How is wanting all people to have the right to spend their lives with the person they love and have a real family with that person selfish?
How is wanting to help the poor selfish?
How is wanting to make sure that every many woman and child can receive medical treatment selfish?
I'll tell you what's selfish:
Tax breaks for the most wealthy 1% of Americans so they can hoard just a little more of the wealth.
Allowing only the couples you approve of to marry.
Keeping the broken medical system the way it is so the insurance companies can go on raping our wallets then fight us every step of the way when we need care.
That's Selfish.
There's a reason they refer to liberals as "bleeding hearts." Because we care about other people, not just ourselves.
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