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evilnewbie - So I looked up some graphs and it is inconclusive which one started rising first CO2 or Temp.
Anyhow, who really cares why it's happening, natural or not - it's only going to result in chaos and tragedy for ****loads of people. It's inevitable, so why put it off. Plus, God is all about letting people suffer so that others can be comfortable - right?
I can hear it now - "bleeding heart liberal". Well, that thought is just a bunch of propoganda put in your "christian" heads by the devil.
Might be because its FACT, undisputed FACT. The only thing up in the air is how much we are influencing it, but its a fact that one day glaciers will again scrub most of the northern & southern latitudes clean.
Funny you mention that. 2008's ice melt is behind (actually, it has already lost being able to beat it) 2007 and it is up in the air if it will even beat 2005 and 2002. There is also the belief that we may see some extensive growth of ice this season. Time will tell, but then we won't see that in the news I am sure. I can imagine all the alarmist are already standing in front of the mirrors practicing their come back's on this "inconvenient truth". *chuckle*
I am actually finding the coming future in climate to be very interesting as none of the predictions made by these noisy models are verifying with the observational data. It is wishful thinking, but I would so love to see us go into a wild cold trend.
Might be because its FACT, undisputed FACT. The only thing up in the air is how much we are influencing it, but its a fact that one day glaciers will again scrub most of the northern & southern latitudes clean.
A FACT is something that can be proven. This cannot. So if Dr. Evil blew up the Earth today - you would be a liar - there would be no glaciers!
evilnewbie - So I looked up some graphs and it is inconclusive which one started rising first CO2 or Temp.
Anyhow, who really cares why it's happening, natural or not - it's only going to result in chaos and tragedy for ****loads of people. It's inevitable, so why put it off. Plus, God is all about letting people suffer so that others can be comfortable - right?
I can hear it now - "bleeding heart liberal". Well, that thought is just a bunch of propoganda put in your "christian" heads by the devil.
So there is no way for me to know that we're in an interglacial even though the very definition of an interglacial describes the world of today? Anthropocene or Helocene, I'm not worried about what the names of it are, the fact remains that we're in an interglacial world.
BTW, please don't lump me in with Christians and right-wingers. I'm an atheist and a liberal myself. You're just being rather ignorant about this whole "there is no way to know" stuff.
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Fair enough, I didn't know what an interglacial was.
You should try looking it up next time before you start on about there being no way to know, 'kay? Nothing personal, but that wasn't the brightest idea there.
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So there is no way for me to know that we're in an interglacial even though the very definition of an interglacial describes the world of today? Anthropocene or Helocene, I'm not worried about what the names of it are, the fact remains that we're in an interglacial world.
BTW, please don't lump me in with Christians and right-wingers. I'm an atheist and a liberal myself. You're just being rather ignorant about this whole "there is no way to know" stuff.
Emi - I didn't mean to lump you in with the christians & right wingers.
I originally thought you were referring to the current global warming trend being natural. Sorry, I'm just getting sick of the media & politician stating things as fact, when they are not.
It is not inconclusive, it is well KNOWN fact that temperature increases BEFORE CO2 increases... ask your friend Al Gore who hid the fact during his presentation... even though it was THERE in front of everyone, I guess they were to mesmerized by Al Gore to pay attention to his ramblings. If you want some real science here you go....
Emi - Where am I off here: Interglacial means we are between glacial periods. If the next one hasn't happened yet, how do we know for sure that were in an interglacial?
Emi - Where am I off here: Interglacial means we are between glacial periods. If the next one hasn't happened yet, how do we know for sure that were in an interglacial?
An interglacial is a warmer period when ice ages are still possible.
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