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Old Yesterday, 05:16 PM
 
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Whether one is for or against shooting looters or porch pirates on sight ultimately is a moot point. State statutes detail what are crimes, whether a crime is considered a misdemeanor or felony, and what charge(s) can be brought, along with sentencing guidelines based.
Sure they do. Were you asleep in 2020 during BLM and are claiming that policing and prosecution is completely fair and unbiased?

It's hilarious how quickly things went from needing police and prosecutorial reform as it is unfair to....it's completely fair, they just follow statutes.

Sure they do, if you believe in the Easter Bunny. Remember the elderly Bodega owner in NYC that got sent to Rikers while being prosecuted and then they dropped the charges?

It is a sad sight to see Republicans suddenly realizing that there really is unfair prosecution and the Democrats shifting gears to claim there isn't. Freakin' partisans will never learn, hypocrisy with zero limits.
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Old Yesterday, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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Criminals should understand that sometimes victims overreact. They need to evaluate if a car stereo is worth risking their life. Victims need to understand that they will be charged if they kill someone over a property crime. I am not too upset a thief is dead nor am I upset that the person that over-reacted is probably going to jail. Bad decisions all around.
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Old Yesterday, 05:32 PM
 
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Sure they do. Were you asleep in 2020 during BLM and are claiming that policing and prosecution is completely fair and unbiased?
Another sudden turn without signaling.

I don't know what you're on about, nor is it my concern. My comments are directed to the person I quoted in my post.
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Old Yesterday, 06:24 PM
 
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Criminals should understand that sometimes victims overreact. They need to evaluate if a car stereo is worth risking their life. Victims need to understand that they will be charged if they kill someone over a property crime. I am not too upset a thief is dead nor am I upset that the person that over-reacted is probably going to jail. Bad decisions all around.
That’s how I feel. If my bf confronted a thief I’d be furious with him. I tell him not even to honk his horn at people today. There’s too many nuts. It’s one thing if you’re confronting someone because they’re trying to kidnap a child or something or even hurting an animal, but over a car or any inanimate object, it’s just foolish.
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Old Yesterday, 06:52 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You can't go around murdering people because they're stealing.
That's certainly the criminal's POV.
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Old Yesterday, 06:56 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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To successfully claim self-defense, the accused needs to establish three elements:

(1) that the victim acted with unlawful aggression towards them.

(2) that the means employed to repel the aggression were reasonable.

(3) that the accused did not provoke the aggression.
Cops are never held to such a high standard.

Cop: "The deceased made a furtive move. I thought he was reaching for a gun."

Case closed. Cop off the hook.

Joe citizen? Lock him up.
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Old Yesterday, 08:21 PM
 
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Cops are never held to such a high standard.

Cop: "The deceased made a furtive move. I thought he was reaching for a gun."

Case closed. Cop off the hook.

Joe citizen? Lock him up.
And?

No need to miss out! Head into the community with a weapon and play vigilante armed citizen. Have fun!
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Old Yesterday, 09:14 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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And?

No need to miss out! Head into the community with a weapon and play vigilante armed citizen. Have fun!
The distinction between self-defense and vigilantism appears to escape you.
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Old Yesterday, 09:23 PM
 
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The distinction between self-defense and vigilantism appears to escape you.
Considering I listed (upstream) the legal requirements to successfully claim self-defense, I'd say your assessment of my understanding is incorrect.
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Old Yesterday, 09:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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That’s how I feel. If my bf confronted a thief I’d be furious with him. I tell him not even to honk his horn at people today. There’s too many nuts. It’s one thing if you’re confronting someone because they’re trying to kidnap a child or something or even hurting an animal, but over a car or any inanimate object, it’s just foolish.
People get tired of replacing windows or insurance deductibles because said dirt bags. People work HARD for their money. The more the sheep do nothing the more the dirt bags are emboldened. This is why insurance is so expensive. Hell, even if you don't get ganked over ten years you could still buy another car for the price of premiums you have to pay.

My driveway is still private property and legal to carry a firearm. If I think someone is breaking into my daughter's bedroom hell ya I'm going out front. Breaking glass is breaking glass.
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