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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 11-29-2022, 12:00 PM
 
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Among the contributing events leading to this war was Germany's decision, made in 2011, to close its nuclear power plants, thus becoming more dependent on Russia.
Angela Merkel, who was educated in German Democratic Republic, was a member of the communist youth movement and speaks fluent Russian, led her countrymen down this road and justified it by pointing to the Fukushima "disaster" which injured 16 people and may have caused cancer in 1. She reckoned that a change in national policy was in order because of something that happened in Japan during a tsunami. Her people bought it.



"Learned stupidity" is the subject of Theodore Dalrymple's great article, written just before the Ukraine war began. I had heard of the concept before, where perfectly able and intelligent people become stupid and manage their lives according to this new-found stupidity.
Interesting. Not all stupid people are born that way. I have neither found nor noticed an example of cured stupidity, but remain hopeful.

Wow, I mean you can't get anything right!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclea...se-out#Germany

"In 2000, the First Schröder cabinet, consisting of the SPD and Alliance '90/The Greens, officially announced its intention to phase out the use of nuclear energy. "


Now, in regards to Merkel, she has a PhD in quantum chemistry. What do you got?


P.S. For a full disclosure, I personally am not against nuclear power as long as it is done properly.
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Old 11-29-2022, 12:03 PM
 
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You can try to make a big deal about Biden being in office when Russia Crimea all you want. Still doesnt change the fact that he was VP and VPs dont have much power. Its reality.

You keep repeating the last part of your post over and over. Already been explained. Please come up with something new. Thank you.
I explained what's up....you all just proffered your usual disingenuous excuses.
Biden didn't really care until after they had fed his family millions of dollars, and refused to expose or investigate it when asked.
He actually still doesn't care...but because they have the goods on him, and he's compromised like that...he has to help.
So...he figured he'd get something out of it...and made sure some of that aid got kicked back. The FTX scam worked out great for that.
You all cheer for it because "derangement level partisan ideological bias" is overwhelming.
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Old 11-29-2022, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The largest donor of military equipment to Ukraine is ...... Russia! Russia has lost 1500 tanks, and a great many of those are now being operated by Ukrainians.


Russia's 1st Guard Tank Army (1GTA), created to roll over NATO, was pushed out of Kharkiv back in September. The unit has not been re-established and is now defunct.


Over 1 million young able bodied men have left Russia because of the war. They are not expected to return.
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Old 11-29-2022, 02:44 PM
 
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The last time Russia invaded the Ukraine, and took Crimea...we did next to nothing. We sent them blankets and MRE rations.
I know; that was a big mistake. We wouldn't be in the position we're in today if we had taken a firmer stance in 2014. So we're paying the price now. If we don't, we'll be having this same conversation when Russia takes back Latvia and invades Poland.
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Old 11-29-2022, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I know; that was a big mistake. We wouldn't be in the position we're in today if we had taken a firmer stance in 2014. So we're paying the price now. If we don't, we'll be having this same conversation when Russia takes back Latvia and invades Poland.
It's good to see we've corrected course.
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Old 11-29-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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I know; that was a big mistake. We wouldn't be in the position we're in today if we had taken a firmer stance in 2014. So we're paying the price now. If we don't, we'll be having this same conversation when Russia takes back Latvia and invades Poland.
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It's good to see we've corrected course.
Let's not ignore that Ukraine's armed forces were as bad as Russia's - or almost so - back in 2014. They saw the writing on the wall and started training towards becoming a more modern, competent force - with enthusiastic assistance from NATO. That paid off.

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Old 11-29-2022, 03:15 PM
 
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Russian terrorists are making small gains around Bakhmut. Ukraine will get new missiles next year. With a longer range than the HIMARS, the new missiles can hit targets 100 miles away.

Michael Clarke is a great war analyst.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1nkGo10BA

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Old 11-29-2022, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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I know; that was a big mistake. We wouldn't be in the position we're in today if we had taken a firmer stance in 2014. So we're paying the price now. If we don't, we'll be having this same conversation when Russia takes back Latvia and invades Poland.
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Let's not ignore that Ukraine's armed forces were as bad as Russia's - or almost so - back in 2014. They saw the writing on the wall and started training towards becoming a more modern, competent force - with enthusiastic assistance from NATO. That paid off.

Let's also not ignore that the US was still in Afghanistan and Iraq back then. The tolerance for getting involved in yet another substantial conflict was about zero.
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Old 11-29-2022, 05:16 PM
 
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Let's also not ignore that the US was still in Afghanistan and Iraq back then. The tolerance for getting involved in yet another substantial conflict was about zero.
That's a good point.
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Old 11-29-2022, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I know; that was a big mistake. We wouldn't be in the position we're in today if we had taken a firmer stance in 2014. So we're paying the price now. If we don't, we'll be having this same conversation when Russia takes back Latvia and invades Poland.
Latvia and Poland are part of NATO which could easily wipe out Russian forces if they attacked. I'm very confident that Poland by itself, with the use of NATO weapons they have, could defeat Russia by themselves.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has exposed how weak the Russian military is.
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