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So let's just surrender to Russia and let them annex Europe and North America. What better way could there be to ensure there will be no WW3? Because that is the only thing that is important.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
^^^
It's no coincidence that the worldwide rise of right-wing authoritarianism comes just as the generation that won WWII leaves us. The men and women of the armed forces, Holocaust survivors, folks who stepped-up to work in factories, planted victory gardens and served in civil defense, now rest in their graves, very probably rolling over at the appalling historical amnesia that besets so much of the current world and nearly half of our fellow Americans.
We need to step-up the fight to protect democracy, yet again.
As you wrote, Ukraine's forces have not been able to get the Russians out of the territories which Russia annexed. I have repeatedly asked the posters on this thread who think Russia is going to lose or who support Ukraine or who think Ukraine is actually winning how the Ukrainians will actually manage to do so.
No one bothers to even ATTEMPT to answer.
I wonder why.........
Could be because that is what is already happening and people "hold these truths to be self evident".
Actually, two things are happening: (1) Russia is being pushed out of Ukraine and (2) Russian economy is collapsing.
Could be because that is what is already happening and people "hold these truths to be self evident".
Actually, two things are happening: (1) Russia is being pushed out of Ukraine and (2) Russian economy is collapsing.
Waiting for both to happen. Waiting... waiting... waiting... yawn
Certainly the news that is coming out of Ukraine is biased in favor of Ukraine. That is what PR, and I would even go so far as to say propaganda, is for. But to categorically say that the "West hasn't told the truth about anything" and that the lies have been absurd that it is insulting brings that to another level.
What verifiable documentation are you basing your statements on? Please feel free to provide evidence for your statements.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
The West is lying for the same reason Ukraine is lying. If you don't think the West is lying, you don't know the truth. Nord Stream anyone?
With that said, I don't literally mean that every word that every person in the west has said is untrue. There are plenty of people in the west who are telling the truth, but they are almost invariably independent journalists not on any government or corporate payrolls. Anything the US government says is absolutely worthless. Or at least, it needs to be carefully sifted through. There is truth in it, but it isn't true.
So you back off of your original statement, acknowledging that not everything is a lie. However, you failed to provide any supporting evidence for your weaker stance either.
I guess you have nothing to offer but hot air and blind allegiance to Russia.
Could be because that is what is already happening and people "hold these truths to be self evident".
Actually, two things are happening: (1) Russia is being pushed out of Ukraine and (2) Russian economy is collapsing.
Both things are what YOU want to happen, not necessarily that which is actually happening. And I haven't forgotten your posts where you wrote you WANT Russia to be ruined.
I get that you - like every other poster - have your opinion and are entitled to it. But you've written (more than once) that you want Russia to be destroyed (this is a paraphrase). I wonder why you want this to happen given the Russian population is just men, women, and children going about their business and trying to live their lives the best they can.
Supposedly. Ill take it with a grain of salt because Ukraine runs disinfo also. 3 lines of defense.
Front is convicts. If they run line 2 is supposed to shoot them.
Second is conscripts. If they run, line 3 is supposed to shoot them.
Third line is the actual army.
Ill flip a coin as to whether it is true but it would not shock me if it is.
It's no coincidence that the worldwide rise of right-wing authoritarianism comes just as the generation that won WWII leaves us. The men and women of the armed forces, Holocaust survivors, folks who stepped-up to work in factories, planted victory gardens and served in civil defense, now rest in their graves, very probably rolling over at the appalling historical amnesia that besets so much of the current world and nearly half of our fellow Americans.
We need to step-up the fight to protect democracy, yet again.
Right wing authoritarianism? God almighty, what Orwellian nonsense.
But you’re right about people rolling over in their graves, as they surely must be doing in light of the US and Europe aligning with Ukraine’s Nazis. What irony. It’s the exact reverse of WW II, when the West and the Russians were allies fighting against the Nazis
Apparently I must remind some of you that the Ukrainian Azov Regiment are NAZIS, donning Swastikas and all of the Nazi regalia worn as brethren to their German partners. This is the same Regiment who fought along side Hitler’s forces invading the the former Soviet Union, which led to the death of 24 Million Russians. And to them, the Ethnic Russian civilian population living in Eastern Ukraine’s Donbas regions are today’s Jews, to which they despise, and have been assaulting and killing for the past 8 years. They aren’t bashful about their desire to eliminate those Russian Ukrainians. Their views are clearly up front, and not at all hidden.
Reminds me of that funny Confucius line “standing on head makes smile from frown, but rest of world is upside down”.
Both things are what YOU want to happen, not necessarily that which is actually happening. And I haven't forgotten your posts where you wrote you WANT Russia to be ruined.
I get that you - like every other poster - have your opinion and are entitled to it. But you've written (more than once) that you want Russia to be destroyed (this is a paraphrase). I wonder why you want this to happen given the Russian population is just men, women, and children going about their business and trying to live their lives the best they can.
Because Russia, over the last 30 years, has proven itself to be a danger to the world. They have murdered many, many thousands of civilians, some within their own federation and many others is foreign countries who were simply in the way of Russian ambitions.
An impoverished Russia, unable to manufacture sophisticated weapons or use them, would be a blessing to the world.
It's happening. Russia is being pushed back and the country is collapsing because of sanctions and boycotts.
What's with the washing machines being looted? Are there no dryers? Are refrigerators too large to haul home?
Why do the accounts always mention washing machines being looted?
Because the infantry Putin sent in hail from the parts of Russia that aren't Moscow or St. Petersburg, and they were pizzed to see that the so-called "ignorant and backward yokel" Ukrainians were living more advanced lives with better infrastructure than they had in their villages back home, so they were looting toilets and washing machines. It is all very well documented, plenty of videos on YT. Many activists have demonstrated by delivering toilets and washing machines to Russian embassies around the world. Now everyone knows the truth about the "great" Russia.
Because Russia, over the last 30 years, has proven itself to be a danger to the world. They have murdered many, many thousands of civilians, some within their own federation and many others is foreign countries who were simply in the way of Russian ambitions.
An impoverished Russia, unable to manufacture sophisticated weapons or use them, would be a blessing to the world.
It's happening. Russia is being pushed back and the country is collapsing because of sanctions and boycotts.
You seriously need to examine the record of certain countries before you point fingers at Russia if your issue is the killing of civilians. Start with the United States.
And no, it's not happening. The sanctions have hurt the west more than they have hurt Russia and the RUB is performing well year-to-date.
You want Russia to be ruined - even if this means suffering and desperation for innocent Russian civilians. Wow...
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