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Old 10-03-2022, 07:18 PM
 
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I can’t believe Zelenskyy isn’t on board with the Musk peace agreement. Only concessions were Crimea(which Russia controls anyway), and holding UN sanctioned votes in the contested eastern areas?
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:25 PM
 
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It’s also interesting to see that right after Russia started losing badly, suddenly a ton of posts started popping up on every social media, saying that we need peace talks immediately, because of course we can’t let Russia lose, because then it’s nuclear war, or even worse, that “Ukraine can’t win anyway, so let’s just surrender now, and stop the mindless killing” like Musk did today.

Do people really not see what state Russian army is in? Like no, the “full mobilization” won’t help them win, people they will be mobilizing are not professional soldiers, and the mandatory military service in Russia is a joke, it only teaches you how to build dachas for your superiors and clean toilets, not how to be an effective soldier.

A son of one of our relatives from Russia literally had to make his family pay monthly ransom to his superiors at the place he was going through his mandatory service, just so that they won’t cripple or even kill him. I’m pretty sure that happened because he bragged to them about his family being wealthy, but do you see just how dysfunctional their “reserves” are?
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:29 PM
 
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I can’t believe Zelenskyy isn’t on board with the Musk peace agreement. Only concessions were Crimea(which Russia controls anyway), and holding UN sanctioned votes in the contested eastern areas?
Musk had no agreement he was just armchairing on Twitter he hadn't even spoke to Putin. You think Putin is going to allow the UN to run elections in the areas he just annexed.
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:32 PM
 
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I can’t believe Zelenskyy isn’t on board with the Musk peace agreement. Only concessions were Crimea(which Russia controls anyway), and holding UN sanctioned votes in the contested eastern areas?
WHAT!? Russia isn't even on board. Why is it incumbent upon Ukraine to quit fighting?
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:34 PM
 
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Hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers made in Great Britain, the USA, Poland, Sweden, including Javelin and Carl Gustaf missile systems, as well as heavy machine guns and Soviet-made small arms abandoned by Ukrainian nationalists.
How impressive.
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:35 PM
 
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Elon Musk polls peace proposals on Twitter, liberals lose their minds. The war machine is in full effect, the shills are programmed.
Good point. He's an expert on failed takeovers, after all.
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:38 PM
 
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Musk had no agreement he was just armchairing on Twitter he hadn't even spoke to Putin. You think Putin is going to allow the UN to run elections in the areas he just annexed.
I know he was armchairing but Zelenskyy actually responded. I’m surprised and concerned that even small concessions are off the table.
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:42 PM
 
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WHAT!? Russia isn't even on board. Why is it incumbent upon Ukraine to quit fighting?
Because there needs to be some kind of end that isn’t endless war or nuclear war. They should remain willing to take the diplomatic route. There are some very pro-Russian areas of the country that it may make sense to concede for peace.
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:44 PM
 
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Another problem with mob rule and outrage leftist culture is that they often demand war.
Let's take a quick moment to consider who actually wanted this war. Do I hear - Vladimir Putin?
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Old 10-03-2022, 07:45 PM
 
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Remember the public was itching for war after 9/11, 80%+ of the public wanted war. By the end of the war less than 20% supported it. Iraq was the biggest mistake of the century. Don’t get caught up in mass outrage of the moment, you’ll likely regret it.
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