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Old Yesterday, 12:55 AM
 
Location: NSW
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Crimea is Russia, always has been, and it always had pro-Russian majority.

That Khrushev passed it to Ukraine back in 1954 because of purely municipal/economic reasons, didn't make it culturally/linguistically "Ukrainian."
There was nothing "Ukrainian" about it; it was remnant of the Russian empire with deeply entrenched Russian naval military culture of Sevastopol.
It was still a Ukrainian territory back in 2014 regardless.
Russia invaded it and annexed it back.
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Old Yesterday, 01:21 AM
 
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It was still a Ukrainian territory back in 2014 regardless.
Russia invaded it and annexed it back.

For obvious reasons.
It didn't want that military port to go to NATO.
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Old Yesterday, 03:12 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Wrong again.

It was damn AZOV that blocked civilians from leaving Mariupol, hoping to use them as the live shield against advancing Russian troops.

Russians on their part were trying to arrange the safe corridor for civilians and BUSES few times, ( yes it could be that the exit provided was only in two possible directions - into Eastern Ukraine or Russia,) but at least they provided it.

Yet Ukrainian authorities REFUSED to notify civilians of it.

( Sorry, you are pushing Ukrainian propaganda, but I was watching every day what was going on there, listening to witnesses that managed to get out of Mariupol alive, so I have to dispel what you are saying here, and stick to the facts.)
And everything you wrote here is Russian propaganda.

I urge people to look this up, for themselves.
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Old Yesterday, 04:25 AM
 
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Regardless of whether Russians believe they have an ancient claim of ownership or not, in 2014 Russia invaded and occupied portions of Ukraine including Crimea, and in 2022 they invaded again. Those are the facts.

Only this time, the Ukrainians were in a better position to hold them off. With the help of weapons and training supplied by allies, they've been able to hold them off.
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Old Yesterday, 04:55 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Regardless of whether Russians believe they have an ancient claim of ownership or not, in 2014 Russia invaded and occupied portions of Ukraine including Crimea, and in 2022 they invaded again. Those are the facts.

Only this time, the Ukrainians were in a better position to hold them off. With the help of weapons and training supplied by allies, they've been able to hold them off.
When humans no longer have confidence in legality, legality reverts back to what it is at its origin: a fiction in the human mind.

Ultimately, men duke it out to determine who and what is right.

We’ll see.
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Old Yesterday, 06:44 AM
 
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Despite all the bluster about how tough Russia is, Putin does not appear to be holding a winning hand here. Over a thousand casualties a day for months with no discernible progress.

His proposal for Ukraine to cede Crimea and other Ukrainian land to Russia is going nowhere. But it could indicate that Putin is starting to realize that this dream he talked over with Trump is not going to come true.
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Old Yesterday, 07:43 AM
 
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Regardless of whether Russians believe they have an ancient claim of ownership or not, in 2014 Russia invaded and occupied portions of Ukraine including Crimea, and in 2022 they invaded again. Those are the facts.

Only this time, the Ukrainians were in a better position to hold them off. With the help of weapons and training supplied by allies, they've been able to hold them off.
That is such a broken and one and only record, that it's pitiful. Ironically, Russia GAVE those portions to Ukraine, but who cares. MOF, the entire Ukraine was created by bolsheviks. But who cares. Heil CNN!

So here's an example for you from a crystal castle on the shining hill of peace-making and democracy torch for the world:

How many countries were invaded by the USA?
In total, the United States has invaded 68 countries in its history, although the US did not declare war on all of these countries.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...the-us-invaded

But then again, quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi. I know. It's "different".
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Old Yesterday, 08:20 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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That is such a broken and one and only record, that it's pitiful. Ironically, Russia GAVE those portions to Ukraine, but who cares. MOF, the entire Ukraine was created by bolsheviks. But who cares. Heil CNN!

So here's an example for you from a crystal castle on the shining hill of peace-making and democracy torch for the world:

How many countries were invaded by the USA?
In total, the United States has invaded 68 countries in its history, although the US did not declare war on all of these countries.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...the-us-invaded

But then again, quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi. I know. It's "different".
To you, the presence of US troops constitutes an "invasion". Fortunately, few people share that view.
Your list of invaded countries consists of countries like Albania, Columbia, and Haiti. The list is laughable.



Russia invaded Ukraine. They intend to conquer it and rule it. Forever.
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Old Yesterday, 09:07 AM
 
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To you, the presence of US troops constitutes an "invasion". Fortunately, few people share that view.
Your list of invaded countries consists of countries like Albania, Columbia, and Haiti. The list is laughable.



Russia invaded Ukraine. They intend to conquer it and rule it. Forever.
Doesn’t everyone remember when we invaded Canada?

Russia intends to destroy any sense of a Ukrainian identity in any form.
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Old Yesterday, 10:59 AM
 
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And everything you wrote here is Russian propaganda.

I urge people to look this up, for themselves.

And where would they look it up?

Do they know the language ( either Russian or Ukrainian?)

Can they listen to the WITNESSES who described their ordeal - what took place in Mariupol, the actions of Azov and so on?
Of course not.
Therefore, they'll be reading/listening to Ukrainian propaganda as usual in tandem with CNN/MSNBC et al - whatever they want to supply to the readers.
I know where Russians are propagandizing, the kind of picture THEY are trying to present, and when they are bending it to their own advantage.
But a lot of what they are saying is actually true.
I saw myself the buses lined up to pick up people willing to evacuate from Mariupol.
And I've heard from those that managed to get out by the back roads, that Azov blocked all the exits from the city, and no one in the city knew about the safe passages that Russians offered, least of all about the buses that were awaiting the evacuees.
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