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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.78%
Voters: 501. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-21-2023, 02:34 PM
 
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Great, after this war, all them pro-rusniks could eff off to Russia. Plenty of room there, plus many of them already have RF citizenship.
Which would likely be a great idea.

Doubt those whose allegiance is to Ukraine will have much patience with Russian collaborators.
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Old 10-21-2023, 04:00 PM
 
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Great, after this war, all them pro-rusniks could eff off to Russia. Plenty of room there, plus many of them already have RF citizenship.
Ok, after the war.
And what if they don’t want to move voluntarily?
Mass executions or mass deportation? Other options?
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Old 10-21-2023, 04:40 PM
 
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Ok, after the war.
And what if they don’t want to move voluntarily?
Mass executions or mass deportation? Other options?
One option is that those who collaborated with the Russian would be brought up on charges, tried, and if convicted, sentenced to prison.

Those whose affections lie with the Russians would be wise to shut up about it, if they plan to stick around. Otherwise, heading for Russia makes sense.
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Old 10-21-2023, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Whoa whoa whoa, I thought Russia was winning this war? I read posts talking about for most of 2023, guys, c'mon.
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Old 10-21-2023, 04:51 PM
 
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One option is that those who collaborated with the Russian would be brought up on charges, tried, and if convicted, sentenced to prison.

Those whose affections lie with the Russians would be wise to shut up about it, if they plan to stick around. Otherwise, heading for Russia makes sense.
Sounds like a plan.
Half the population of those regions will be convicted and/or punished.
Knowing this prospects, they will fight to the end.
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Old 10-21-2023, 05:09 PM
 
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Sounds like a plan.
Half the population of those regions will be convicted and/or punished.
Knowing this prospects, they will fight to the end.
Is there any reason to believe they won't be "fighting to the end" anyway?
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Old 10-21-2023, 05:42 PM
 
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I can't think of a single nation that is fine with citizens voting they want to be part of another country and allowing them to do so, taking part of the country with them.

In any case, if they want to live in Russia, that should be easy enough to do.
We need to remember, that a large portion of the population of the coal/steel/industrial regions of Eastern Ukraine are descendants of Russians who relocated there (voluntarily, or with a "nudge") some 100 years ago. These persons presumably think of the local land as their land, and not a purely Ukrainian land, of which they're somehow guests. But while they want an ethno-linguistically Russian society, they want a more modern, more pluralistic and more western-leaning country. That rules out immigration to Russia, even if they somehow (counterfactually) felt no allegiance to the land.

An analogy - strained, but topical - would be that of Arabs who chose to remain in what became Israel, in 1948. Today they're Israeli citizens, but still ethnically Arab and religiously Muslim.
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Old 10-21-2023, 05:58 PM
 
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Which would likely be a great idea.

Doubt those whose allegiance is to Ukraine will have much patience with Russian collaborators.
Another one who doesn't understand the difference between calling for peace and supporting someone.
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Old 10-21-2023, 07:46 PM
 
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Aaaaand all the toolbag sheep have replaced their Ukraine flags with Israel flags.
Lol. Too funny.
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Old 10-21-2023, 08:07 PM
 
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I hope Avdivka won't turn into another Balkmut for Ukraine. For a few months the two Ukrainian bloggers reported massive Russian losses in Balkmut. But in the end Ukraine lost it to Russia.
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