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Old 05-05-2023, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Danville, VA
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Russian source. And you trust it?
Others are reporting on it as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...ideo-rcna83015

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...083ff4747a51bb

Direct links to Prigozhin's rants:

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1654369122338193410

https://twitter.com/TWMCLtd/status/1654415244360404995
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Old 05-05-2023, 06:26 AM
 
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When it suits the narrative.
Exactly.
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Old 05-05-2023, 06:32 AM
 
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Yes, including Putin's propaganda source. Russian sources don't print stuff that Putin doesn't want printed. And Western sources will certainly jump at anything that makes Russia look bad.

And Prigozhin is beyond Putin's control?

Yet Putin allowed the Moscow Times to write this information. Smells like Russian disinformation. That, or The Moscow Times editorial staff will be falling out of windows from Moscow skyscrapers real soon. And Prigozhin too.

Fortunately, Prigozhin's claimed withdrawal time is just days away. We will see what happens.
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Old 05-05-2023, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Even if those reports are true, which they may or may not be, it could just be a misinformation campaign designed to give the Ukraine forces in Bakhmut a false sense of security. It could also be that the Wagner troops are simply being redeployed to the South to fend of the much anticipated Ukraine offensive there. Who knows. It's all just propaganda.
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Old 05-05-2023, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Prigozhin is pulling his troops out of Bakhmut because he knows they can not advance any further than they already have and if he withdraws it won't be declared a defeat but, because the Russian military won't give him any ammo..'defeat' will fall to the regular Russian troops and Prigozhin will further solidify his ambitions to be Russia's next ruler..his Bakhmut troops will probably end up in Africa..as for the Moscow Times they are headquartered in Amsterdam

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Following the passage of a law restricting coverage of the invasion of Ukraine in March 2022, the newspaper moved its main editors to Amsterdam.[1][37] On 15 April, Roskomnadzor blocked access to the Russian-language website of The Moscow Times in Russia after it had published what authorities called a false report on Russian riot police officers refusing to participate in the invasion.[38][39]

To serve the website to readers from Russia it gets an extra top-level domain to bypass censorship. Regular readers receive updates about this through a different channel.[40]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times
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Old 05-05-2023, 07:44 AM
 
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Prigozhin is pulling his troops out of Bakhmut because he knows they can not advance any further than they already have and if he withdraws it won't be declared a defeat but, because the Russian military won't give him any ammo..'defeat' will fall to the regular Russian troops and Prigozhin will further solidify his ambitions to be Russia's next ruler..his Bakhmut troops will probably end up in Africa..as for the Moscow Times they are headquartered in Amsterdam



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times


Who told you that? Prigoshyn is NOT pulling out, his troops just took over 2 more Balhmut city blocks.
Like, seriously.. Subscribe to the original Wagner channel on Telegram and stop listening to bs.
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Old 05-05-2023, 07:47 AM
 
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Even if those reports are true, which they may or may not be, it could just be a misinformation campaign designed to give the Ukraine forces in Bakhmut a false sense of security. It could also be that the Wagner troops are simply being redeployed to the South to fend of the much anticipated Ukraine offensive there. Who knows. It's all just propaganda.



For those, who understand Russian. That Prigozhyn's vid wath something! Got to like the guy..


Anyhow. On the heels of his cassing.
here's how you provide shells for Wagner. I'd give her supplies too.


https://t.me/wagnernew/7541


For the non lingual watchers. Nice blond tells that she managed to get truckload of ammunition for Wagner and if she can, anyone else can. Nah, got to be as good looking as she is, he he.


Last but nor least


Evgeniy's comment on why Mezintsev was fired


https://t.me/wagnernew/7545
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Old 05-05-2023, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Russia and India reportedly halt talks over using rupees for trade, with Moscow preferring to be paid in Chinese yuan

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The halt in talks deals a blow to Indian importers of cheap Russian oil and coal who were looking forward to a permanent rupee payment mechanism that would help bring down costs for currency conversion.

Russia, with a high trade gap in its favor, believed it would have an annual rupee surplus of more than $40 billion if a mechanism were enacted.
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Old 05-05-2023, 09:31 AM
 
Location: NYC
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For those, who understand Russian. That Prigozhyn's vid wath something! Got to like the guy..


Anyhow. On the heels of his cassing.
here's how you provide shells for Wagner. I'd give her supplies too.


https://t.me/wagnernew/7541


For the non lingual watchers. Nice blond tells that she managed to get truckload of ammunition for Wagner and if she can, anyone else can. Nah, got to be as good looking as she is, he he.


Last but nor least


Evgeniy's comment on why Mezintsev was fired


https://t.me/wagnernew/7545
The Ukrainians have pretty blondes too. There are a bunch of them on Tiktok. Anyway, if the Russians are interested in joining civil society again, they need to stop killing other white people.
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Old 05-05-2023, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Dmitri has been covering Prizohin really closely

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...12610069037057

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Evgeniy Prigozhin declares in a video that he will be ordering the withdrawal of Wagner mercenaries from Bakhmut due to an acute shortage of ammunition allegedly ordered by the Russian General Staff. He says Wagner will stay in the city until 9 May to avoid shame on this day. He appears to require a military order from Gerasimov for the withdrawal, however, to carry out the withdrawal.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...63136529141766

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Prizohin films himself in front of a large number of corpses, and in an unusually aggressive manner puts forward demands to Russian military leadership to provide more ammunition.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...10622376185858

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There can be many explanations for Prigozhin's erratic behaviour and statements, but one thing that appears quite clear to me is that he is still Putin's* close associate, so most things he's doing must be sanctioned by the latter. I just don't think he's off the leash, even if his actions might suggest otherwise.

*accused of war crimes
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