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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.57%
No 258 50.79%
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Old 01-04-2023, 07:49 AM
 
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The biased and deranged, working off of war-cheerleading propoganda, do not want to face the fact that Ukrainian losses to Russian losses run in the 5-10 to 1 range, and the wounded at the same ratio. The Ukraine is being destroyed...and the number of widows and Sonless Mothers grows at a epic rate daily.
They should have accepted Putin's Peace Agreements and stopped this before it started.
But the West (especially the U.S.) loooooooves war...SO....
It's Russia who is taking losses at a 3:1 to 5:1 ratio. Russia is doomed.
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Old 01-04-2023, 07:49 AM
 
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The biased and deranged, working off of war-cheerleading propoganda, do not want to face the fact that Ukrainian losses to Russian losses run in the 5-10 to 1 range, and the wounded at the same ratio. The Ukraine is being destroyed...and the number of widows and Sonless Mothers grows at a epic rate daily.
They should have accepted Putin's Peace Agreements and stopped this before it started.
But the West (especially the U.S.) loooooooves war...SO....
Sure, come up with another allegation with no basis in fact. If Ukrainians suffered a loss ratio like that, they would have run out of troops by now.

Why don't you try living in reality like the rest of us.

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It's Russia who is taking losses at a 3:1 to 5:1 ratio. Russia is doomed.
I see no reason to believe this ratio either, although at least it is not mathematically impossible.
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Old 01-04-2023, 07:51 AM
 
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Reading article in today's "tsargrad":
Drone costs Russians some $20K , Ukranians means to take it out - $140K. 7x. This is Russian explanation.
Problem for Russia is, the West funding is 20x.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:07 AM
 
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Problem for Russia is, the West funding is 20x.
It is not sustainable. Money is printed but weapons are manufactured.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:15 AM
 
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Reading article in today's "tsargrad":
Drone costs Russians some $20K , Ukranians means to take it out - $140K. 7x. This is Russian explanation.
'Mignews'.com has article explaining it: several crashes Since September - 6 total. 4 old fighters 2 new models. Just may be, lack of proper technical support this would be a typical type of 'Russian' problem, same is in the West.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:20 AM
 
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'Mignews'.com has article explaining it: several crashes Since September - 6 total. 4 old fighters 2 new models. Just may be, lack of proper technical support this would be a typical type of 'Russian' problem, same is in the West.
Coming from the airwing in the Marine Corps, I can tell you that 6 planes crashing in one month due to "lack of proper technical support" is not an issue that the US has. Im not saying that it has never happened but not nearly in the same numbers as you are talking about.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:24 AM
 
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It's Russia who is taking losses at a 3:1 to 5:1 ratio. Russia is doomed.
Russia has proven to be strangely incompetent. I never expected that.

The other great surprise is how well Ukraine has been fighting. The UK has been helping train Ukrainian military every year since the 2014 Crimean debacle, and I guess the USA (and perhaps others) have been training as well.

Ukraine is currently developing it's own military with a high degree of skill, and experienced combat veterans are mentoring the new recruits. Very impressive results.

The defense of the Hostomel airport and the stopping of the kilometers long Kyiv column signaled that Ukraine has turned the corner from where they were less than ten years ago.

Flush with these amazing successes the Ukrainians are all amped up, their morale is high and they believe in the justness of their cause. They bear the continued suffering with alacrity.

These are amazing people.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:25 AM
 
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Coming from the airwing in the Marine Corps, I can tell you that 6 planes crashing in one month due to "lack of proper technical support" is not an issue that the US has. Im not saying that it has never happened but not nearly in the same numbers as you are talking about.
I noted several reports of F-35 problems reported in press. We spent a mountain of money in this project. FWIW. It may be a disinformation too, 'appear weak when you are strong'.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:30 AM
 
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I noted several reports of F-35 problems reported in press. We spent a mountain of money in this project. FWIW. It may be a disinformation too, 'appear weak when you are strong'.
Russians pressing on building more air carrier ships saying that is more efficient use of air force.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:31 AM
 
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It is not sustainable. Money is printed but weapons are manufactured.
And NATO countries are capable of manufacturing advanced weapons that actually work. Russia apparently is not. They end up importing weapons from places like Iran.
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