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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 12-15-2022, 08:05 AM
 
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Some people dismiss weapons from Iran and North Korea as if they are inferior. Iranian drones are wreaking havoc in Ukraine. The destruction of energy infrastructures hurt factories, people, and Ukraine's military.
I would rank Iranian technology over Russian technology.
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Old 12-15-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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In the last 10 months The Ukraine has been given in armaments and aid well over ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS...double Russia's entire annual Defense Budget.
If the Russian Military is so weak and so poor...how did they go in with 150K man contingent against a 300K man defensive force that was in place and ready...and manage to cause incredible casualties and damage and take so much ground?
Simple. Everyone - including Ukraine - believed the hype about this powerful Russian army. They didn't think at the outset that they could face off and hold their own with the Russians. They didn't think they had any chance of defending the entire country. Their prime goal was defending Kiev. So their response to the attack was to pull back, cede ground, and protect Kiev.

As for the value of weapons, keep in mind the disparity in cost structure in the economies. Equivalent things cost more in countries like Europe and US than in other countries. A dollar buys a lot more in some countries than in the US. Average annual salary in US is $55k, in Russia $16k.
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Old 12-15-2022, 08:43 AM
 
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What has been proven is Putin's Russia is just a paper tiger that can bark all they want but the whole world now knows that NATO/OTAN is the real truth and united front a true family we just need to bring back SEATO.
Should be real easy then for the US and all the other NATO nations to walk into Ukraine and push the paper tiger out. Maybe Ukraine can do it all by itself. No need to worry, with Russia so weak, Ukrainian forces will march all the way to Moscow if not Vladivostok to liberate the Russians, topple Putin and hold him accountable for war crimes. What is the US and Ukraine waiting for? Do it and get it over with. Their reputations are on the line. Otherwise, these countries are in danger of acquiring the "paper tiger" moniker as well.
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Old 12-15-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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All you have done is cheerlead death, destruction, suffering and pain...for imaginary & contrived lines on the ground.
Over which there was a peaceful negotiation all drawn up and in place....but the West didn't want a peaceful settlement, so they nixed it.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/0...kraine-russia/

Because the West loves war and all its horrible derivatives...they get off on it.

What will be proved? That Russia is not capable of taking on the U.S. and NATO?
We already know that the U.S. is the richest most powerful Nation in the world...with only China that is anywhere close.

All we have done is prove how much the U.S. loves all the death, destruction, expense, and suffering of war.
I dunno. You can probably legitimately criticize certain aspects of the Western reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Some may think it should have been more forceful, others might think negotiations should be pursued more, but overall I think the Western response has been pretty much in the sweet spot of appropriately supporting Ukraine and at the same time maintaining the coalition of Western support for the war effort. But regardless of where one stands on how the West is acting, I think it’s pretty silly to say that our actions are a function of some insatiable desire of the US to wage war. I think you’ve got your head under a rock if you believe the US wanted this.
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Old 12-15-2022, 09:19 AM
 
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I dunno. You can probably legitimately criticize certain aspects of the Western reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Some may think it should have been more forceful, others might think negotiations should be pursued more, but overall I think the Western response has been pretty much in the sweet spot of appropriately supporting Ukraine and at the same time maintaining the coalition of Western support for the war effort. But regardless of where one stands on how the West is acting, I think it’s pretty silly to say that our actions are a function of some insatiable desire of the US to wage war. I think you’ve got your head under a rock if you believe the US wanted this.
If a peaceful negotiation is laid out...and you nix it, and choose military confrontation...you cannot say you don't want war.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/0...kraine-russia/
A Peaceful solution should always be the preference...unless you wanna feed your heavy political donating Military-Industrial Complex...want a place to lay blame for political policy failures...and keep a good kick-back pipeline going.

100 BILLION of our taxpayer money is not a "sweet spot".
We spent less than that per year fighting in the Middle East on two fronts.
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Old 12-15-2022, 10:12 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Those who defend themselves and those who assist them are called warmongers. They are accused of starting the conflict.
Nonsense. Russia began this war and it will assist in destroying them.
For those who may be interested, George Friedman, wrote this in 2005 in his book, The Next 100 Years:
Chapter 8. The collapse of Russia in the early 22020's will leave Eurasia in chaos. The Russian Federation itself will crack open as Moscow's grip shatters. Regions, perhaps even the thinly populated Pacific regions, will break away, its interest in the Pacific Basin for outweighing its interest or connection to Russia proper....

Friedman is neither war monger nor soothsayer. He is a geopoliticist whose understanding of geography, politics, demographics and history leads him and others in the field to some pretty inescapable conclusions.
Russia was always going to fail and devolve into chaos. Zelenskyy may have accelerated history somewhat, but it was always going to happen.


In 1957 The Soviet Union was the second largest economy in the world. They have not yet hit bottom.
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Old 12-15-2022, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Russia ‘Activates’ Nuclear ICBM RS-24 Yars That Is 12x Stronger Than US Atomic Bomb That Struck Hiroshima.

https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-act...hiroshima/?amp
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Old 12-15-2022, 10:58 AM
 
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If a peaceful negotiation is laid out...and you nix it, and choose military confrontation...you cannot say you don't want war.
https://multipolarista.com/2022/09/0...kraine-russia/
A Peaceful solution should always be the preference...unless you wanna feed your heavy political donating Military-Industrial Complex...want a place to lay blame for political policy failures...and keep a good kick-back pipeline going.

100 BILLION of our taxpayer money is not a "sweet spot".
We spent less than that per year fighting in the Middle East on two fronts.
“Choosing military confrontation” is only a choice if that option ultimately is inconsistent with what I guess you would call a geo-politically stable solution. Sure, we could negotiate with the sole objective of stopping this conflict, but at what cost? Would it encourage further imperialistic action by a Russia? What about other actors like North Korea, China, Iran. Unfortunately, one doesn’t always get to pick their opponent, and if the opponent is an authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights and value the life of people (its own and those of other countries) than negotiation isn’t always the best option. $100 billion may well be cheap in the long run to preserve the traditions of western liberal democracies. Simply, you are mistaken on this…you have a simplistic perspective that has no merit and demonstrates a lack of any broader understanding of the situation as all you can see is dollar signs. You fit in well with the anti-Ukraine MAGA lemmings.
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Old 12-15-2022, 12:04 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Russia ‘Activates’ Nuclear ICBM RS-24 Yars That Is 12x Stronger Than US Atomic Bomb That Struck Hiroshima.

https://eurasiantimes.com/russia-act...hiroshima/?amp
Whichever country was targeted by Russia would recover in due time.

Russia never would. Russia is going to dissolve anyway; use of a nuclear weapon would hasten its demise and subject its leaders to charges of crimes against humanity, since it is not at war with anyone.
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Old 12-15-2022, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Durham NC
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Practically overqualified as a pro-Russia commentator, then.

Anti war but you wouldn't know the difference would you?
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