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Old 07-06-2021, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Move to a conceal carry environment. The gun control laws don't seem to prevent the bad people from getting guns.

Fix the education system so kids get a better education so they can have more constructive options when they get to working ages

Lower minimum wages so teens can go and learn to work

Meet with local artists to promote positive messaging in music instead of music destructive to cops, women, etc.

Get an effective strategy for drugs

Help the police do their job instead of defunding and dispiriting them. Get rid of the Stop Snitching program... reward community cooperation
Most people in the roughest neighborhoods are armed, legal and otherwise.

Last December, a retired fire fighter exited a shop to find some kids in the process of stealing his car. He drew his gun. So did 2/4 kids. Don’t recall who fired the first shot in what turned into a gun battle. Retired guy lost. Whole thing on video.

City increased Minimum Wage on 7/1 and like most places, entry level jobs go unfilled. Why would a kid work for $14-15/ hr when he can make 3x that slinging dope or stealing a car.

The US has had a War on Drugs since 1971. How has it been going? Has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority. Has not mattered who was Governor or mayor, anywhere. The appetite for recreational drugs is insatiable.

Lightfoot is a strong defender of FUNDING the police. She is also a critic when the situation warrants like when some officers were taped napping in an alderman’s air conditioned office last year during the worst of the Geo Floyd violence. So you got officers out there busting their butts while this group chilled while the neighborhood was burned and looted.

Today, like nearly every Monday or Tuesday in Chicago, the mayor and the Cook County DA point the finger of blame at each other. Kim Fox claims her office bring charges against 98% of those arrested but the Mayor does not arrest enough. Bringing charges is one thing. Getting a conviction with maximum sentencing, especially for repeat offenders, is another.

Lightfoot is also a critic of the Governor’s no/ low bails for those who are charged with violent crimes or have criminal records. She seems to grasp how quickly violent offenders are back on the streets and engaging in more violence.

No city can be run the way Mayor Daley Sr did in the 70’s where Police cracked heads and asked questions later. Way too many cameras for that and $ billions have been paid to settle wrongful death / excessive force over 50 years. And despite the history of police brutality back then, gun homicides were far greater than they are now.
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Old 07-06-2021, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I have been saying for 10 years now (since I first moved to Chicago), that the only way these numbers will decrease is if "TOUGH, proactive policing" is allowed. I don't mean dirty policing, but you have to be TOUGH. The fact that, that is not allowed in Chicago is why police are afraid to police this way at fear of being "racist."

I have 10 years of evidence

That is not the case, as 80% of these violent take place in black neighborhoods (despite blacks making up less than 30% of the population). So by not allowing for tough policing, it hurts these neighborhoods the most.

Although, previously it was closer to 90% of these crimes taking place in only bad neighborhoods. The last year, it has started to spill into the nicer neighborhoods and around downtown. Maybe this will change voters mind when it starts hitting closer to home!!!!!
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Old 07-06-2021, 04:28 PM
 
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Again, please tell us what the mayor should be doing that she is not. Be specific, please.
You have received some specifics. Perhaps #1 is don't treat criminals better than you treat police.
Tell me there is nothing to be done and you will be about as effective as she is.
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Old 07-06-2021, 05:39 PM
 
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Again, please tell us what the mayor should be doing that she is not. Be specific, please.
Start by expanding the police force and positioning cops in the worst neighborhood at the most violent times.

Then, publicly back the police. Repeatedly.

Introduce stop and frisk in the most violence- prone neighborhoods. Declare these neighborhoods public safety emergencies and bring in curfews.

Then, ask for federal help. And get it.

Then, organize rallies to bring attention to the horrible black on black violence in Chicago.

How’s that for starters?

(This is so obvious it is no wonder folks think the mayor is racist, incompetent, and a dingbat. And yes, progressives would hate these lifesaving initiatives.)
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Start by expanding the police force and positioning cops in the worst neighborhood at the most violent times.

Then, publicly back the police. Repeatedly.

Introduce stop and frisk in the most violence- prone neighborhoods. Declare these neighborhoods public safety emergencies and bring in curfews.

Then, ask for federal help. And get it.

Then, organize rallies to bring attention to the horrible black on black violence in Chicago.

How’s that for starters?

(This is so obvious it is no wonder folks think the mayor is racist, incompetent, and a dingbat. And yes, progressives would hate these lifesaving initiatives.)
Yup. This is what Garry McCarthy wanted to do. He wanted to proactively police (stop and frisk) and have a large police presence, including undercover officers, in bad neoghborhoods so they were arresting BEFORE crime happened. But Rahm Emmanuel at the time wouldn't allow a lot of these tactics, and Lightfoot certainly wouldn't.

In fairness, I will say that over the years I have seen a lot of rallies in bad neighborhoods to stop violence; although these seem to get only a quick 30 second news clip vs other BLM type rallies which get national attention on every news station.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:21 PM
 
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Tell me how you would change this trajectory?
I would declare martial law and send in troops and FBI- ATF. About 20,000 with orders to restore civil society by whatever means necessary. The politicians would be tried for derelection of duty and imprisoned. Suspension of civil rights. Homes would be searched and anyone caught with a weapon unregistered would be imprisoned. Drug dealers and distributors would be shot. No trial.

I'm a problem solver.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:36 PM
 
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Tell us what the mayor should be doing that she is not? Be specific, please.

Be aware CPD cancelled all time off and mandated 12 hour shifts to maximize the number of patrols on the streets.

Be aware the shooters and victims tend to be known to each other.

Tell us what the mayor should be doing that she is not? Be specific, please.
Take the chains off the cops. Call these attacks what they are, acts of terrorism. Uphold the law. Terrorize the terrorizers.

Simple.

We have lost our minds as a nation ffs.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:37 PM
 
Location: A Beautiful DEEP RED State
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What are the demographics involved?

Asking for a friend.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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What are the demographics involved?

Asking for a friend.
At least a couple of years ago, they did a breakdown of the violent crime and it involved African Americans almost 80% of the time (slightly less than 30% of the population). Latinos were near the remaining 20% (about 30% of the population).
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:55 PM
 
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Start by expanding the police force and positioning cops in the worst neighborhood at the most violent times.

Then, publicly back the police. Repeatedly.

Introduce stop and frisk in the most violence- prone neighborhoods. Declare these neighborhoods public safety emergencies and bring in curfews.

Then, ask for federal help. And get it.

Then, organize rallies to bring attention to the horrible black on black violence in Chicago.

How’s that for starters?

(This is so obvious it is no wonder folks think the mayor is racist, incompetent, and a dingbat. And yes, progressives would hate these lifesaving initiatives.)
Good ideas. They won't work though.
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