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Old 12-21-2019, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Now all of his supporters will turn on the Christian Times.
Most of his supporters aren't even hardcore religious people, just ordinary average middle class Americans..

You people seem to not even acknowledge that.

Nobody cares about Billy Graham, and hasn't for decades....

But now all the dems suddenly do, it's hilarious!!!!!

 
Old 12-21-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Most American's are simply disgusted by their so called "actions".


2020 is going to be EPIC. This year has been pretty good too!!

Dance on the dust. Merry Christmas!
You absolutely don't know that, you can only hope. Nobody knows what 2020 holds for us, many won't live to see it. A whole lot can happen in this world before then.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 04:12 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Most of his supporters aren't even hardcore religious people, just ordinary average middle class Americans..

You people seem to not even acknowledge that.

Nobody cares about Billy Graham, and hasn't for decades....

But now all the dems suddenly do, it's hilarious!!!!!

WOW, how did you get all dems care about Billy out of that. Only thing I said is now all his supporters will turn on the Christian Times, and from that you get all dems care. Anything or person Trump turns on, his supporters usually does the same thing, it's been like clock work.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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The Dems have not had any wins of any magnitude in a long long time. Let's just let them feel good about this for a few days, and then move along. They'll figure it out the insignificance of it by the next State of the Union.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but that word is starting to really grate on my nerves.
I am so tired of hearing it.
This impeachment of this president carries absolutely no weight at all, unless he is removed, and that is highly unlikely.
Saying he was impeached is useless, because it means nothing.
Impeachment carries no penalties if the senate does not remove him.
Why are the dems so high on this one word that means nothing?

So what, Trump was impeached.
Just what does that mean?
Does that limit him from doing anything?
Does he now have to go sit in a corner until the dems tell him it's ok to come out?
Why do you dems think this "impeachment" is so important, when nothing changes?


Bob.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 04:23 PM
mlb
 
Location: North Monterey County
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I think it means a lot to him and bothers him greatly.

I’m good with that.

For the man who has never been accountable for anything?

This moniker - which will appear always in his legacy.... is the right word.

Time for him to be accountable.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 04:29 PM
 
Location: sumter
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The Dems have not had any wins of any magnitude in a long long time. Let's just let them feel good about this for a few days, and then move along. They'll figure it out the insignificance of it by the next State of the Union.
I guess you forget about the midterms, that's the reason Trump got impeached. Because, the dems won in magnitude that night, and Obama wasn't a long time ago.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: sumter
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I think it means a lot to him and bothers him greatly.

I’m good with that.

For the man who has never been accountable for anything?

This moniker - which will appear always in his legacy.... is the right word.

Time for him to be accountable.
And he tried so hard to destroy Obama legacy, at least Obama won't have impeached along with his name in the history books.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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The huge difference in the two cases of impeachment is, there was undeniable proof that Clinton did wrong, while there is not one speck of undeniable proof that Trump did anything wrong.
Most, if not all evidence in the Trump case is hearsay, and nothing more.
As for the obstruction of congress, he was right in refusing any of his staff, and himself from testimony because of the constitutionally provided clause of executive privilege.
This impeachment (God I hate that word) is worthless, and will be thrown out with the rest of the garbage.

Trump's legacy will stay , and he will be remembered for the good he has done for this country, and for the respect he achieved from the rest of the world's leaders.
The disrespect shown a couple of weeks ago at the G summit, was from leaders who are scared sh.. of him.

One get's respect from strength, and Trump is more than aware of that.


Bob.

3-4 people who where ON THE PHONE with Trump heard exactly what he said and testified under oath to congress... the partial transcript Trump released, showed exactly what Trump said. The Whistleblower, reported what those 3-4 firsthand witnesses heard Trump say.
I dont care if its 5 hand knowledge, when the transcript showed that the Whistleblower reported the call nearly word for word.

The partial Transcript... is hearsay. But its what Trump ACTUALLY said... and it said it all!

Tie that in with Gulliani running around in Ukraine, getting the US ambassador fired on behalf of corrupt Ukrainian officials and pressuring the new Ukrainian President to start an fake investigation into Trumps likely main political opponent!

Gulliani was doing shady sh@t in Ukraine.. and Trump sent him there.. and wanted Zelensky to "talk to Rudy... and investigate Bidens"...


And now it seems Trump was not even paying Gulliani... It seems Gulliani was being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Ukranian oligarch trying to get Gulliani to help him with "problems" he was having with the US DOJ.


So... to me... it looks like Gulliani might have screwed over Trump, with his shady dealings in Ukraine... and Trump might have been "tricked" by Gulliani at the same time to take out Biden, because Gulliani needed the US ambassador gone... ALL the while Gulliani was earning hundreds of thousands from Russian backed Ukrainian Oligarchs..


Almost sounds made up... but we all know what a joke Gulliani has become the last years. He can't keep two thoughts in his head at the same time, while spilling some beans on something he should not talk about!



Then..

Im sorry.. but the President has not claimed executive privilege AT ALL!
He has just forced people into silence.

Like Nadler said.. if the President HAD CLAIMED executive privilege, they would have gone to the Supreme Court to get it over turned.

Trump just plainly refused and ordered everybody not to talk and not release a SINGLE document.


He should have claimed executive privilege... that way, the Democrats could not charge him with obstruction of Congress!
But then again they would have gotten all the documents they wanted...

So not sure what Trump thought was in his best interest.

Obstruct or Release documents...
 
Old 12-21-2019, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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You absolutely don't know that, you can only hope. Nobody knows what 2020 holds for us, many won't live to see it. A whole lot can happen in this world before then.
Well at least Ken Starr thinks that is true....and worse.

"She (Pelosi) appears to be intruding into the power of the Senate which is ironic in the extreme, isn't it?" Starr said. "So, I think there is an abuse of House power in the way that this process unfolded in the House and riding rough-shod over minority rights and, ultimately, the rights of the president."

"Now she's trying to essentially tell the Senate how to do its business...and it's just wrong constitutionally," he stated. Starr told Henry that Pelosi holding the articles of impeachment and asking for assurances about a Senate trial is akin to asking for a quid pro quo.

"[Trump] is doing it in exactly the right way. I gather he's going to say, 'We're going to go forward with the business in the Senate and not play games,'" he said.
 
Old 12-21-2019, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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WOW, how did you get all dems care about Billy out of that. Only thing I said is now all his supporters will turn on the Christian Times, and from that you get all dems care. Anything or person Trump turns on, his supporters usually does the same thing, it's been like clock work.
All I know is every liberal fool on my FB are posting links about it, like they all the sudden care about Billy Graham.

I wasn't attacking you, just pointing out what I've observed.

Trump has the middle class vote.

Dems downplay the middle class as poor and who want this socialism crap, but that's not how we are.
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