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Old 02-10-2019, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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They are currently not possible in the vast majority of austin.
The people in Mueller want to talk to you

 
Old 02-10-2019, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX via San Antonio, TX
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The people in Mueller want to talk to you
They said “vast majority.” Mueller is a master planned area that has very specific guidelines surrounding density and affordable housing.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Excellent post. It seems like nowadays everyone that considers themselves a member of a 'minority group' (black, Hispanic, women, LGBTQ, etc) spends a lot of time looking for trouble that may or not be there.
Like anyone, you are of course entitled to your opinion. One one hand people say, don't paint everyone on the "majority" group ( whatever the relevant majority is, white, men, etc) just because of the crimes of one. Yet here, you are blaming entire groups of people are looking for trouble. I (as a member of 2 your listed minority groups - black, female) for one dont go looking for any trouble (however you define it) but the chances of the aforementioned " trouble"finding someone like me often seems higher than someone not like me even if just ignorance / prejudiced comments and behaviors.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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The people in Mueller want to talk to you
grove and austin oaks are trying to do dense communities. Neighbors protested to stop them like crazy. Mueller is a single development that shows what is possible. They used a PUD designation. Single lots can't do that.

The vast majority of the east side is SF-3 which is single family (duplexes allowed). but they have to follow all the setback rules.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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The vast majority of the east side is SF-3 which is single family (duplexes allowed). but they have to follow all the setback rules.
As far as the East Side is concerned, the new density has made it almost unrecognizable in some parts.

What effect do the setback rules have on developers looking to build dense housing? It seems like a significant number of multi-family units have been built there, replacing single-family homes.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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My Asian friends don't seem to have (or had) any issues, but I haven't really quizzed them on it.

Nor did my Asian daughter-in-law before she dated and married my son.
 
Old 02-10-2019, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Excellent post. It seems like nowadays everyone that considers themselves a member of a 'minority group' (black, Hispanic, women, LGBTQ, etc) spends a lot of time looking for trouble that may or not be there.
Wow.... EVERYONE huh?

Wtf.

Generalize much?
 
Old 02-11-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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grove and austin oaks are trying to do dense communities. Neighbors protested to stop them like crazy. Mueller is a single development that shows what is possible. They used a PUD designation. Single lots can't do that.

The vast majority of the east side is SF-3 which is single family (duplexes allowed). but they have to follow all the setback rules.
Let's see how much the East Side has densified in the past decade or so. I'm not going to show you Mueller as you already agree but that went from empty land to high density, a very successful dense development we all can agree on. I read that the density in Mueller will equal or exceed the density of SF and various boroughs of NYC when built-out. That's quite an achievement.

So, let's look and see where various apartments were built east of I-35 where something less dense was there before. We won't only focus on SF-3 we can also focus on light industrial that were converted to apartments or empty land or parking lots converted to dense residential.

5th St along rail line:

Circa 2014, light industrial:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2619...7i13312!8i6656

Circa 2017, dense residential:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2619...7i13312!8i6656


Circa 2013, light industrial:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2606...7i13312!8i6656

Circa 2018, multi-floor residential (would like more floors but this is still and improvement):
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2606...7i16384!8i8192


Circa 2007, open land and parking lots:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2641...!7i3328!8i1664

Circa 2018, dense residential:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2641...7i16384!8i8192


11th St near I-35:
Circa 2011, empty field with weeds:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2701...7i13312!8i6656

Circa 2018, dense residential:
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.2701...7i16384!8i8192


There's more than one way of doing it and Austin is doing a pretty good job of densifying.
 
Old 02-11-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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cBach post bolsters my point:

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Originally Posted by cBach View Post
Let's see how much the East Side has densified in the past decade or so. I'm not going to show you Mueller as you already agree but that went from empty land to high density, a very successful dense development we all can agree on. I read that the density in Mueller will equal or exceed the density of SF and various boroughs of NYC when built-out. That's quite an achievement.

So, let's look and see where various apartments were built east of I-35 where something less dense was there before. We won't only focus on SF-3 we can also focus on light industrial that were converted to apartments or empty land or parking lots converted to dense residential.

{ . . . }

There's more than one way of doing it and Austin is doing a pretty good job of densifying.
Austin97:
. . . Zoning was originally created as a tool to enforce segregation. Zoning restricted affordable housing since day 1. That same zoning in Austin prevents density and directly causes our skyrocketing prices that keep minorities out of west side neighborhoods. That same zoning is causing prices to rise on the east side driving minorities out of the east side.


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I was confused because it seems like zoning in East Austin allows for multifamily units replacing single-family and is still far too expensive for most people because the market will bear the higher prices.
Thoughts?
 
Old 02-11-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX via San Antonio, TX
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Thoughts?

The price of land and taxes are going up due to the popularity of the city. You can try all you want to have low rent, but you've got to offset the property taxes and value of land. Like the person had posted above with the 2008 versus 2018 photos, the land was cheap then, so someone bought it and since then the land has gone up in the price. That's part of the issue. All the people who moved to Austin 5-15 years ago moved to East Austin because it was close to downtown but way cheaper then the westside of downtown. Now it's prices are increasing because everyone thinks its cheaper.
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