Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Oh that's rich . Socialist European countries are your examples of Libertarianism huh?
Yeah, that's mostly what it boils down to.
People who call themselves "libertarian" nearly always vote Republican.
Please actually read what others post, and please respond to what they post. Don’t make up something that others didn’t say and respond to something you make up but attribute to them.
What I stated was that many European countries have privatized many parts of their economies- which is a Libertarian desire. The UK is one of them (whether its inhabitants like being called European or not, it’s in the EU now). Is the UK socialist? With a Conservative PM and Conservative legislature? No.
When it collapses the country collapses so it's all moot.
It will be the least of their worries.
Let me understand this. You rob people of their money at gun point with the promise to pay them back by providing benefits (peanuts on the dollar) but it’s the least of your concern when your Ponzi scheme runs out?
Oh that's rich . Socialist European countries are your examples of Libertarianism huh?
Firstly you need to be careful waving the socialist moniker at all European Countries. Estonia is the most socially and financially libertarian country in Europe, and it makes the US look draconian by comparison. It's economic growth is incredible, and apparently they like it.
Secondly the poster was referring to the privatization of certain government functions, which is more libertarian, and to an extent safer for functions like pensions and insurances. The company is held accountable to government and the people, government is limited in being able to stick it's hand in the cookie jar for extra cash. Which is why the Social Security Trust Fund is on paper not looming good, but has Billions of Dollars in IOUs from the Fed Gov. Sure there's a risk involved in putting those funds in private hands for management, but it's a lot lower risk than leaving it in the hands of a group who have never by historical record resisted large sums sitting around without finding various alternate uses for that are unrelated to the purpose of that fund, and will never be repaid.
Quote:
Originally Posted by turkey-head
Yeah, that's mostly what it boils down to.
People who call themselves "libertarian" nearly always vote Republican.
I'm certainly not republican, and I rarely vote, for two reasons.
1) Its like voting for which slave master temporarily holds my slave ownership.
And
2)It is an implicit statement of consent that government has a degree of validity. Which I dispute, due to the illogical social contract BS.
Libertarians, just like conservatives and liberals have varying philosophies and stands on issues.
Agree. As the great philosopher George Carlin once called it, & hit the nail squarely, in his brilliant 'Napalm & Silly Putty':
Quote:
"One of the more pretentious political self-descriptions is "Libertarian." People think it puts them above the fray. It sounds fashionable, & to the uninitiated, faintly dangerous. Actually, it's just one more bull$hit political philosophy."
In the same vein, consider the commonly used " Such & such political philosophy is a mental disorder. "
It's likely Michael Savage popularized the cliché. After all, he has a book entitled, Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions.
It's clichéd, unoriginal & hackneyed now through repetition & overuse.
& significantly, likely always has been meaningless because it's spoken as if it doesn't apply, in real-time reality to any & all bull$hit political philosophies.
Why on Earth would libertarianism be excluded? It's a prime example in the category.
Although ... I do agree there is something to the idea that all bull$hit political philosophies can be compared to a mental disorder, I consider these to be similar to a "spectrum disorder:
Quote:
Autism is known as a “spectrum” disorder because there is wide variation in the type and severity of symptoms people experience. ASD occurs in all ethnic, racial, and economic groups. Although ASD can be a lifelong disorder, treatments and services can improve a person’s symptoms and ability to function.
(Perhaps coincidentally, Michael Savage also has some quite awful "Savage Solutions" to the autism spectrum disorder dilemma. His sole "solution" essentially consists of denying there's a problem, even when the disorder impacts a person's abiity to function. Not helpful, imho.)
Libertarianism is def 'on the spectrum'. Libertarian folks, no matter how they capitalize the letter, exist somewhere 'on the spectrum'. As do all other folks who self-describe as any of the other bull$hit political philosophies.
Personally, imho, libertarianism is more nonsensical than most, & that simply because the philosophy is more self-refuting than most of the other bull$hit political philosophies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Recess
There are no problems. You didn't even read what I wrote.
All I can say is that Mr. Lennon simply expressed the ideas much better:
John Lennon: "... there's no problem
Only solutions ..."
Agree. As the great philosopher George Carlin once called it, & hit the nail squarely, in his brilliant 'Napalm & Silly Putty':
In the same vein, consider the commonly used " Such & such political philosophy is a mental disorder. "
It's likely Michael Savage popularized the cliché. After all, he has a book entitled, Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder: Savage Solutions.
It's clichéd, unoriginal & hackneyed now through repetition & overuse.
& significantly, likely always has been meaningless because it's spoken as if it doesn't apply, in real-time reality to any & all bull$hit political philosophies.
Why on Earth would libertarianism be excluded? It's a prime example in the category.
Although ... I do agree there is something to the idea that all bull$hit political philosophies can be compared to a mental disorder, I consider these to be similar to a "spectrum disorder:
(Perhaps coincidentally, Michael Savage also has some quite awful "Savage Solutions" to the autism spectrum disorder dilemma. His sole "solution" essentially consists of denying there's a problem, even when the disorder impacts a person's abiity to function. Not helpful, imho.)
Libertarianism is def 'on the spectrum'. Libertarian folks, no matter how they capitalize the letter, exist somewhere 'on the spectrum'. As do all other folks who self-describe as any of the other bull$hit political philosophies.
Personally, imho, libertarianism is more nonsensical than most, & that simply because the philosophy is more self-refuting than most of the other bull$hit political philosophies.
All I can say is that Mr. Lennon simply expressed the ideas much better:
John Lennon: "... there's no problem
Only solutions ..."
There are no solutions, only trade offs —-Thomas Sowell
You believe name calling and hyperbole is a proper response. Yes, I have no interest in that.
Too many people that label themselves "Libertarians" are like that. That's one reason why I don't consider myself a Libertarian even though I agree with many Libertarian principles.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
. Socialist European countries are your examples of Libertarianism huh? 
