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Old 12-25-2018, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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It's easy to criticize. Difficult to actually solve problems.

The Libertarian world view is 95% the former.
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Old 12-25-2018, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It's easy to criticize. Difficult to actually solve problems.

The Libertarian world view is 95% the former.
There are no problems in the world aside from individuals choosing to support NAP violators and/or violating the NAP on their own. That's because free will says those actions are preventable.

Any other conditions that you find to be problematic are simply the state of nature. You will suffer and die...no matter how badly you wish the government can save you and/or tax others out of the "problem".
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Old 12-25-2018, 04:25 PM
 
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It's easy to criticize. Difficult to actually solve problems.

The Libertarian world view is 95% the former.
This is rich coming from a person who relies on a violent third party to "solve problems" many of which are caused by the third party itself.
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Old 12-25-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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It's easy to criticize. Difficult to actually solve problems.

The Libertarian world view is 95% the former.
How about just mind your own business and fix your own problems?

Wouldn’t the world be so much better if everyone just did that?
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Old 12-25-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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There are no problems in the world aside from individuals choosing to support NAP violators and/or violating the NAP on their own. That's because free will says those actions are preventable.

Any other conditions that you find to be problematic are simply the state of nature. You will suffer and die...no matter how badly you wish the government can save you and/or tax others out of the "problem".
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How about just mind your own business and fix your own problems?

Wouldn’t the world be so much better if everyone just did that?
Yes, there's also the contingent of internet-idealists claiming that all problems would be solved if only every man would follow a half-baked philosophy that no human ever has or ever will follow.

And furthermore our current wildly unequal wealth distribution was *founded* on government force.

I'm sure if we just accept our current government-enforced situation and magically follow the holy internet-phiposophy of the NAP... Adam Smith's Invisible Hand will give us an invisible reach-around
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Old 12-25-2018, 06:12 PM
 
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Yes, there's also the contingent of internet-idealists claiming that all problems would be solved if only every man would follow a half-baked philosophy that no human ever has or ever will follow.

And furthermore our current wildly unequal wealth distribution was *founded* on government force.

I'm sure if we just accept our current government-enforced situation and magically follow the holy internet-phiposophy of the NAP... Adam Smith's Invisible Hand will give us an invisible reach-around
Unfortunately to you, this theory has been tested many times.
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Old 12-25-2018, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes, there's also the contingent of internet-idealists claiming that all problems would be solved if only every man would follow a half-baked philosophy that no human ever has or ever will follow.

And furthermore our current wildly unequal wealth distribution was *founded* on government force.

I'm sure if we just accept our current government-enforced situation and magically follow the holy internet-phiposophy of the NAP... Adam Smith's Invisible Hand will give us an invisible reach-around
There are no problems. You didn't even read what I wrote.
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Old 12-25-2018, 06:46 PM
 
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Have you free-market fan-boys ever noticed that *not one single developed country* has ever followed anything like a Libertarian ideology for any legth of time?

And no society anywhere or at any time has ever followed anything like that Non Agression Pact fantasy?

Of what use is this silly fantasy? Except to criticize without requiring any effort or cost on your part, and without offering any real solution?
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Old 12-25-2018, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Have you free-market fan-boys ever noticed that *not one single developed country* has ever followed anything like a Libertarian ideology for any legth of time?

And no society anywhere or at any time has ever followed anything like that Non Agression Pact fantasy?

Of what use is this silly fantasy? Except to criticize without requiring any effort or cost on your part, and without offering any real solution?
It’s not politically possible but that does not mean you cannot strive to move government in that direction.

Actually my libertarianism is most influenced by Hayek and Friedman along with the founding fathers.

The slaves would have been overjoyed if we had recognized all men had certain unalienable rights from the beginning.
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Old 12-25-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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It’s not politically possible but that does not mean you cannot strive to move government in that direction.
I have no problem with this argument as it is exactly what everyone does.

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Actually my libertarianism is most influenced by Hayek and Friedman along with the founding fathers.

The slaves would have been overjoyed if we had recognized all men had certain unalienable rights from the beginning.
Which points out the problem. It's hardly just a problem with one idea also. Too many hypocrites for anything to work the way it should.
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