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Where their rights will be whittled away, they will have no collective bargaining to assure them a living wage and benefits, and their overlords can fire them at will for no reason whatsoever.
Yep, a real worker's paradise.
Well, you deserve the government you vote for, so it's hard to feel sorry for them when they get exactly what they ask for.
Since all that you describe happened under Democratic governments that lied to these people for generations, sadly I agree with you.
This isn't really surprising. People in "Rural America" don't really have much in common with the Democratic Party anymore. I don't agree with just leaving a group behind that helped elect you at one point but the parties have changed so much that it makes sense that they look to the GOP instead of Dems. Dems have now become the party of white-collar professionals while GOP is for blue-collar, everything goes in cycles, it'll switch again and again and again and so on because that's the cycle of politics.
What I'm going to say will open up a can of worms, but here goes. When it comes to rural America, it depends on where you go. The Republican Party gets alot of votes in rural America through the Great Plains. There is one stark exception: Native American reservations, such as in the Dakotas and Oklahoma. Native Americans are in rural America in large proportions. Most vote Democrat.
In the southern states, the predominantly White rural areas vote Republican. In the South, especially Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, etc, there are alot of majority Black rural areas. And those areas are mostly voting Democrat.
Texas is very Republican in the rural areas with the exception of the border counties, with are often majority-Hispanic.
In New England, there are many rural, predominantly White areas voting Democrat.
The Democratic Party, my party, is now led by upper-middle class snobs who look down on the working class (deplorables). In my lifetime, I never saw a more "classist" campaign than Hillary's. It was dripping with this brand of snobbiness. Little wonder the Democratc brand is about as popular as a rich case of gonorrhea generally among the working class. Certainly among rural folks.
amen.
She viewed Americans as her "subjects", as any Queen does.
Shazam-on Election Night 2016, America replied to the Queen of Chardonnay since her "loss".
She viewed Americans as her "subjects", as any Queen does.
Shazam-on Election Night 2016, America replied to the Queen of Chardonnay since her "loss".
I don't know if she views herself as a queen or not. I do know that she and many of the people in the Democratic Party look down on vast swaths of the American people. Notice that when Trump said, "I love uneducated people," the left derided that. That's because "education" is really a code word for "class." After all, these people more than any have bought into the flawed notion that education = higher income. Additionally, many of these folks think of people who lack college educations as racist/bigot/homophobes/misogynists and you can tell this by their rhetoric. THe irony is that most of these upper middle class white folks on the left lead some of the most segregated lives you will ever see. They live in lily white neighborhoods, far away from black people. And that's by choice. They send their kids to schools that are overwhelmingly white. And that's by choice. Their friends are overwhelmingly white. And that's by choice. If they actually go to a church, they go to liberal Protestant denominations that are whiter than the vanilla ice cream in your freezer. And that's by choice.
Meanwhile, those rubes who go to fundamentalist or evangelical churches have real relationships with more black folks than their more enlightened denigrators on the left. It's strange.
I think back to the history of the Democrats over the past century plus. William Jennings Bryan, the champion of common rural folk. FDR. Even Bill Clinton. (Hillary learned nothing from Bill.) All of them could speak to normal, average people. Contrast them with the clowns we're now given by the party. They can't speak to the working poor and ordinary middle class people because they have little to nothing in common with them and they look down on them because of their class, though they'll never admit that. And then to compound things, they employ rhetoric that blames big chunks of the working poor and middle class for the problems of aggrieved groups. And even with a mountain of evidence that when they do this, they push people to Trump, they keep doing it. It's a religion.
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Where their rights will be whittled away, they will have no collective bargaining to assure them a living wage and benefits, and their overlords can fire them at will for no reason whatsoever.
Yep, a real worker's paradise.
Well, you deserve the government you vote for, so it's hard to feel sorry for them when they get exactly what they ask for.
Didn't the Mid-20th Century golden age of working class men have really strong unions, and a tax structure shifted toward the wealthy? Plus social security and such?
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Unions did a lot of good when America was a developing nation, and the playing field was in our advantage, but that was then and this is now. It truly is a new ballgame today, and we must adapt and move on. But we do enjoy the freedom to support or even create unions if we choose.
Germany has strong unions, and it continues to be one of the world's top exporters despite having only 6% of China's population. They have great trading programs and rely more on small to medium sized companies more than the US does.
Where their rights will be whittled away, they will have no collective bargaining to assure them a living wage and benefits, and their overlords can fire them at will for no reason whatsoever.
Yep, a real worker's paradise.
Well, you deserve the government you vote for, so it's hard to feel sorry for them when they get exactly what they ask for.
What they are asking for is community cohesion and trust that mass immigration is eroding. Money isn't worth much without a true community to enjoy your life within.
This is what liberals refuse to understand, no matter how many times they are told.
. THe irony is that most of these upper middle class white folks on the left lead some of the most segregated lives you will ever see. They live in lily white neighborhoods, far away from black people. And that's by choice. They send their kids to schools that are overwhelmingly white. And that's by choice. Their friends are overwhelmingly white. And that's by choice. If they actually go to a church, they go to liberal Protestant denominations that are whiter than the vanilla ice cream in your freezer. And that's by choice.
Meanwhile, those rubes who go to fundamentalist or evangelical churches have real relationships with more black folks than their more enlightened denigrators on the left. It's strange.
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Having lived both North & South of the Mason Dixon line for long stretches, I agree with you, and the Northeast btw, is far more segregated IMO, on a neighborhood basis, than the Southeast comparing cities where people have the means to choose more segregated areas. When the DNC fell in love with Wall St money (Bill C on), it embraced their disdain for the wwc. After all, Wall St has done its best to kill Main St, particularly via vulture capitalism often embraced by hedge funds..
I don't think Obama gave a damn about the working class. I think he felt they were a lost cause, and not worth the effort or hassle to fight for.
Trump has nothing to lose. He's an old man. He is willing to sacrifice it all for the working class, even though it's not a profitable venture. It's about doing the right thing and working for the people, not the corporate sponsors.
You cannot be serious....Trump has demonstrated countless times that he only cares about what is good for him and his family...He doesn't care about the working class, or anyone else for that matter.....Why you Trumpers can't see that is beyond me.
Where their rights will be whittled away, they will have no collective bargaining to assure them a living wage and benefits, and their overlords can fire them at will for no reason whatsoever.
Yep, a real worker's paradise.
Well, you deserve the government you vote for, so it's hard to feel sorry for them when they get exactly what they ask for.
When that unemployed roofer who was a life long Democrat is looking out his front window as a new roof is going on his neighbors house using illegal immigrant workers he's not living in a worker's paradise.
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