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Old 07-21-2018, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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Originally Posted by BobNJ1960 View Post
GOP realizes government should not pick winning and losing industries, or job sectors.

Free Market will do that correctly, when not interfered with.
Tariffs are not a method of interference from the government? Moreover, America's manufacturing workers are often employed in industries that use imported materials. And they are also price-sensitive consumers who purchase both domestic and foreign goods on a regular basis. We'll see how the current set of policies affects people's financial well-being soon enough.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Unions have nearly died because you can't pay an American $30/hr to do a job that creates only $2 worth of wealth/output in an hour. The wealth created is often low because many of these jobs are done in third world countries where labor is extremely cheap. Trump is using tariffs to help protect workers from this, but dems are busy calling him Hitler, burning American flags, and generally wasting their lives away in an unproductive manner, which is definitely not helping their cause, whatever it may be.

Right now, the public sector is where unions still have some power, since they live off tax payer monies. Anyone with any basic economic sense knows, this is a bad thing. You cannot have a large, parasitic unionized workforce draining wealth from the working class that enjoys no such union representation.
You need to educate yourself on Unions and not believe the republican propaganda about them.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...oved-Your-Life
36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union
Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector on employees)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Houston
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GOP realizes government should not pick winning and losing industries, or job sectors.

Free Market will do that correctly, when not interfered with.
Lol- How do you explain subsidies to Big Oil . Agriculture and organized Religion?
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:31 PM
 
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Unions have nearly died because you can't pay an American $30/hr to do a job that creates only $2 worth of wealth/output in an hour. .
Amen.

That is why Hostess brands are thriving made in America efficiently, with a tremendously more automated set of centralized plants, and far fewer employees relative to revenue generated.

The union version-where 2 different snack cakes could not sit on one truck (feather bedding 101) caused the demise of the Old Hostess.

Just as the outrageous D3 contracts of 30 years ago ($73 an hour w benes) were not sustainable, so 2 of them went Bankrupt while Transplant auto mfg USA kept rolling along in the black financially.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You need to educate yourself on Unions and not believe the republican propaganda about them.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...oved-Your-Life
36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union
Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector on employees)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

Unions did a lot of good when America was a developing nation, and the playing field was in our advantage, but that was then and this is now. It truly is a new ballgame today, and we must adapt and move on. But we do enjoy the freedom to support or even create unions if we choose.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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Lol- How do you explain subsidies to Big Oil . Agriculture and organized Religion?
Not a fan of subsidies, and that is a bi-partisan thing usually pushed by Local representatives where industries are concentrated.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:22 PM
 
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it’s another giant sucking sound. This time it’s the sound of factory workers getting sucked into the republican party. :d
:d
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Houston
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You do realize that the undocumented workers are doing jobs that no one else will take. Right? Slaughterhouses, farm worker, house framers, concrete workers, etc. Anything that is unpleasant, or back breaking, is not being done by the neo-republicans I guarantee you. Go ahead and get rid of those folks but don't complain to me when the crap jobs of America don't get done.
You realize that if a business can’t get enough workers they have to raise wages?

Americans will do any job if the wage is right.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Obama and co likes to call the jobs these folks are doing "jobs of the past". Just imagine, taking career advice from people who have never had a real job in their life

While many dems like to demean factory workers and make fun of their jobs and career prospects, it doesn't reflect reality. There will always be some need for factories and manufacturing in the US, and workers with the necessary training and background. It is foolish for the government or any political party to disregard the importance and value of this sector remaining here in America. If the democratic party chooses to wage war on factory workers, they will simply find leadership that better represents them.





LOL, that's exactly how things worked under Obama. And flooding the country with illegals sure hasn't helped the situation. More than anything, the dems have been working to turn America into a 3rd world country.

Obama's America = Replacing skilled American workers with low wage unskilled illegal immigrants. Not acceptable.
This is so true. Under 8 years of Obama the blue collar union worker was squeezed as never before. Much of it was not necessarily Obama's fault--just a changing economy where now blue collar workers find themselves competing with the Amazons and Walmarts. But Obama sure did not lift any fingers to address this.


When did the story come out about the Amazon warehouse workers who collapsed from heat stroke?
Inside Amazon's Warehouse - The Morning Call


Oh yeah, it was 2015, 3 years into Obama's second term.
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You do realize that the undocumented workers are doing jobs that no one else will take. Right?
Total BS.

Where illegal aliens work, by industry - Pew Research Center
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