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There has still not been any proof posted in this thread of a statistically significant amount of illegal voting actually happening. Not just "ghost voter" totals, but how many times it actually happens.
One would have to delve in and see how many times there were suspicious votes cast, then look into it to see if it actually was fraud, then compare to how many total votes occur, etc.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't aim to tidy up the voting rolls and get them straightened out. There is just not actual meaningful proof yet of it being anywhere near a widespread problem.
You cherry picked what I said. You can probably find examples of improper voting in any election you examine, but while there may be enough to impact a local race, there hasn’t been a scintilla of evidence produced that these cases are of the magnitude that would significantly impact state or national elections.
You’re looking at molehills and seeing the Rockies.
Nah, and I'm not the blind one. There is no way of knowing (not even a scintilla!!!) how many improper votes are cast in states that do not require voter ID.
There has still not been any proof posted in this thread of a statistically significant amount of illegal voting actually happening. Not just "ghost voter" totals, but how many times it actually happens.
One would have to delve in and see how many times there were suspicious votes cast, then look into it to see if it actually was fraud, then compare to how many total votes occur, etc.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't aim to tidy up the voting rolls and get them straightened out. There is just not actual meaningful proof yet of it being anywhere near a widespread problem.
At what level of significance will you be concerned? You are okay with some cheating, just not too much? Interesting point of view, and I wonder who you apply that to the rest of life.
At what level of significance will you be concerned? You are okay with some cheating, just not too much? Interesting point of view, and I wonder who you apply that to the rest of life.
I never stated that I was ok with cheating. I said that sure, rolls should be cleared up.
Do you know what statistically significant means?
"Statistically significant is the likelihood that a relationship between two or more variables is caused by something other than chance."
I am pointing out that there has not been enough data to show it's actually happening to any widespread degree. You (general) can't find a piece of data showing x amount of suspicious voters and then extrapolate that there must be a lot of fradulent votes being placed. You would have to delve into finding out if they were more than just dead or left the state, then if that translated into any of them actually voting.
Articles posted noted examples where they may have seen hundreds or even thousands of suspicious votes (often over a span of years, so not as high as it sounds) but they did not actually prove that they were all fradulent (there are indeed ways that a vote can turn out to not be deliberately fradulent) and compared to how many total votes happen, it was numerically insignificant.
I just get tired of people trying to correlate things together when there is no cause proven or come to conclusions that are faulty.
Work on improving voter records and how polling is done? Sure. Trying to promote that there are lots of actual truly fradulent votes happening? Show the data and proof.
CA has the largest population so it's not surprising their number of fraudulent votes is the highest. What is surprising is that it has 60 TIMES more fraudulent voters than Texas, the state with the next highest population. That type of discrepancy is NOT an honest mistake.
It becomes more clear all the time why Democrats oppose any efforts to ensure legal elections.
Nobody cares about your question. Hillary is not president. The electoral college functioned as it is supposed to.
And the question is not difficult to answer - California. Even if you take out the 1.7 million ghost votes, she still wins the state and the popular vote.
We do need to clean up the system.
Oh they care alright. Had Trump gotten 3 million more votes than Hillary you wouldn't be hearing a peep out of Trump, his followers, nor some far right think tank like you posted. It would be a non-issue with conservatives and you know it.
Having more people registered to vote than are alive does not mean that any of those deceased people had fraudulent votes cast in their name.
It also doesn't mean that they didn't.
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