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Stop pretending that outrage over this is just coming from Democrats/leftists. Nothing to start WW3 over. But that doesn't mean you don't at least call them out over such attacks. He's failing to defend the U.S.
The Trumpies should read "liberal" commentator George F. Will's column in the Washington Post today.
Democrats can’t make up their minds why they think Trump is a traitor. If Trump wants peace, they will say he’s a traitor. If Trump leads us to war, they will say he’s a traitor.
Whatever is the flavor of the day. The only thing consistent is to hate Trump.
This is utter tripe.
Trump is being criticized because he publicly made a statement that he trusts Putin over the seventeen national intelligence agencies that HE the President administers.
Not because he wants PEACE with Russia. (And we aren't currently at war with Russia, by the way.)
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Liberals....
If Trump would have been harsher... Liberals would scream he's trying to cause a war, it's Armageddon!
Trump is careful ... Liberals scream he's too soft
pfft Trump Derangement Syndrome. Tuning into liberal media to get your fix on liberal outrage.
Oh please, stop the 'Oh don't say anything bad about poor widdle Donny' whining!
Rational people know that at best he made a jackass of himself by displaying more loyalty to a brutal Russian dictator than to his own administration's intelligence people on international TV. No wonder there's talk of installing a revolving door at the entrance to the White House, who the hell wants to work for a whiny boss who'll happily throw you under a bus for no good reason?
So..... What do you suppose Trump lambasting Putin in public would have resulted in?
Who said anything about lambasting? Lambasting or berating Putin in that forum wouldn't have accomplished anything. But surely you know there are more options than 1) lambasting Putin or 2) complimenting Putin. Don't ya?
I'm talking about acknowledging what Russia did by acknowledging what Trump's own intelligence people are showing him. The evidence is in his hands, he's reading it, and refusing to acknowledge what it says or means. He's refusing to support actions to prevent it from happening again and, instead, undermining his own people and the effort to get to the bottom of what took place in 2016.
Just the fact that Russia toyed with us during the election is embarrassing enough, and now we have to watch our own president play dumb about it and pretend Putin is a great, honest guy. It's shameful.
I'm sorry it has not been proven. It hasn't even gone to court yet. No one of us knows what evidence the intelligence community has. You're believing our intelligence on blind faith? How very uncritical of you.
Maybe you should read some of the indictments, statements by our intelligence services, and research thats openly available showing how and what has been occurring.
Even those who are skeptical can easily see evidence of this. Blind faith? Hardly. Theres simply too much actual evidence out there for it to be anything but true. Even Trump is now saying its true.
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There is also a pot meets kettle here because the US has been meddling in everyone's elections - to the point of even disposing of democratically elected leaders. If some Russians made FB pages and spread fake news at the behest of the Russian government - is that really meddling? Not really.
Ahh whataboutism. We did this to Iran,they hold a grudge about this to this day-we should too. If Iran could have lobbed a missile at our agencies who had done it they would have. But you think we should capitulate to Russia over it? Got it.
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If Russia hacked the DNC and released hacked files - that's worse but also fairly common place. When you work for cyber security for the US government you understand that everyone is hacking everyone. The US is hacking Russia and China on a daily basis and the opposite is happening.
More what aboutism.
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This is not new to this election. It's been going on for a while.
But never this blindingly successfully. It is like saying your neighbor has been shooting spitballs at you for a long time, but he just fired on your vehicle with a barret 50 cal. The spitballs are annoying. This was far far worse.
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Pushing this Russia hacked our election narrative only keeps our countries apart and keeps tensions high (increasing probability of a war). You don't need to want a war to be acting like an useful idiot for people much smarter than you who do want constant conflict with Russia. The entire US military complex justifies its existence by positioning Russia as an enemy.
We are at war. We're currently losing. I have a incredibly unpopular view that we should be using those military assets in this war. But even if you dont agree-then we should at least be saying something instead of just laying there and letting them run us over.
Who said anything about lambasting? Lambasting or berating Putin in that forum wouldn't have accomplished anything.
Exactly. So what level of calling Putin on would liberals be happy with and what would it accomplish?
You smile in your enemies face while working behind the scenes to do what is needed. You don't make your intent known either. Trump did say that you never announce to the enemies what you are doing like Obama did. It's playing the game.
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So..... What do you suppose Trump lambasting Putin in public would have resulted in?
The shocking revelation that Trump may actually have some cojones somewhere other than hiding behind a Twitter keyboard and that he's actually capable of lambasting people other than Americans and/or their allies!
It's a rational question... Every action results in a reaction. What do you suppose Trump lambasting Putin in public would have resulted in?
How would liberals and Democrats react?
How would Putin react?
Could Democrats and Liberals ever be happy with anything Trump does?
This is beyond Liberal and Conservative. This is about standing up for yourself, we should do this personally and as a nation. It would send a message that there are consequences when our country is attacked cyber or not. What you are saying is that it we as a country are OK with a cyber attack on US Servers during a Federal Election, well because everybody else does it. There is not much we can really do it about so...No Big Deal. I'm sorry, I'm not OK with that.
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No wonder there's talk of installing a revolving door at the entrance to the White House, who the hell wants to work for a whiny boss who'll happily throw you under a bus for no good reason? 
