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Old 07-16-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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"the system" is the problem. Stop relying on a system that socializes the negative outcomes of behaviors and genetic traits. Do you think a committee of bureaucrats (whether it be private or public sector) can or should determine the health needs for 320 million individuals?
Nope, I definitely don't. Like I said before though I don't foresee that going away, so there at least needs to be some control on how people will vote to steal my money (via taxes) to pay for their health care when they aren't even doing the basics to remain healthy and lower costs. But by saying that I don't want to pay for their poor choices, I'm a selfish animal, its a no win situation.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Nope, I definitely don't. Like I said before though I don't foresee that going away, so there at least needs to be some control on how people will vote to steal my money (via taxes) to pay for their health care when they aren't even doing the basics to remain healthy and lower costs. But by saying that I don't want to pay for their poor choices, I'm a selfish animal, its a no win situation.
Its been proven that you cant have a little bit of government (control) in any sector. Once its in it grows like cancer. We can agree on some level, but Ill coninue to believe the only cure is to to eradicate it completely.
An advocating people be in control their own destiny is anything but selfish.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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Its been proven that you cant have a little bit of government (control) in any sector. Once its in it grows like cancer. We can agree on some level, but Ill coninue to believe the only cure is to to eradicate it completely.
An advocating people be in control their own destiny is anything but selfish.
We 100% agree on that, but like I said I just don't see it actually happening.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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The "guidance" has not gotten any better.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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We 100% agree on that, but like I said I just don't see it actually happening.
Not willingly, the masses have been buffaloed for too long. It will happen after its bankrupted and collapses and probably not in our time, but the writing is on the wall.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Agree, but since that will unfortunately never happen, there needs to be accountability for those who stress the system the most with their unhealthy lifestyles.
So then should we scrutinize and tax just peoples waistlines or the other lifestyle choices that contribute to the top healthcare taxing medical conditions. Alcohol consumption, smoking and exercise contributes to a large percentage of the top conditions. Do we hold people accountable for that. And hereditary conditions, mental illness, childbirth.
So we force people to buy medical insurance then charge them more if they use it but discourage them from using it by monitoring their eating habits, weight, alcohol consumption, smoking, mental health, genetics and reproduction.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:04 AM
 
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Smokers have been paying higher premiums for 18 +/- years.
Cool.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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Being high is not a crime unless your driving.

Buying, selling, possessing may or may not be a crimes dependent on geography and substance.
But should routine drug testing be part of insurance screenings? Those people should pay more too right?
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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Nope, I definitely don't. Like I said before though I don't foresee that going away, so there at least needs to be some control on how people will vote to steal my money (via taxes) to pay for their health care when they aren't even doing the basics to remain healthy and lower costs. But by saying that I don't want to pay for their poor choices, I'm a selfish animal, its a no win situation.

So you feel you are paying for everyone's healthcare? How much you chipping in on my premium?
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:07 AM
 
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In the Individual Plan Market, premiums are determined by age and geography.

Older insured people pay higher premiums than younger people.
Smokers pay more than non- smokers.

Why not base on waist sizes in the healthy range vs unhealthy, regardless of age?

Why take a simple waist measure to the extreme of monitoring your food choices?

The former is practical. The latter, not so much.
But if the issue is about which costs insurance companies more, shouldn't you pick the best correlating variable rather than the easiest?
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