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Old 11-10-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This country is over populated. There just aren't enough jobs to go around and yet you want more automation to put even more people out of work.
Someone needs to tell our government that.
Open borders to the south and the welcome mat is out for refugees..all these people are poor and unskilled.

Then you have that immigration bill that thankfully didn't pass.
Double the H1-B numbers and a new W-Visa for unskilled workers to come here.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:09 PM
 
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He is completely wrong but he still has my vote. This is an issue we WILL win and there is NOTHING any politician can do about it.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's been going on since the early 90's.
This past great recession saw millions of jobs shift overseas.

It's bigger than R vs D.

Go back to Ross Perot who warned us of this. That was 23 years ago, several administrations ago, BOTH PARTIES.
The recession wasn't because of minimum wage going up, that happened well after the recession was underway. Also the jobs that are going overseas aren't minimum wage jobs, they are the higher paying jobs.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The recession wasn't because of minimum wage going up, that happened well after the recession was underway. Also the jobs that are going overseas aren't minimum wage jobs, they are the higher paying jobs.
And all those people are turning to lower paying jobs with lowered lifestyles.
Hence...the "$15/hour chanting".
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And all those people are turning to lower paying jobs with lowered lifestyles.
Hence...the "$15/hour chanting".
So those that once made good paying middle class jobs that are now working minimum wage jobs, they should just be happy that they are making so little? This is called the race to the bottom.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:24 PM
 
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Didn't Marco Rubio say that, if people worked for less, they wouldn't be replaced by machines?
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Didn't Marco Rubio say that, if people worked for less, they wouldn't be replaced by machines?
It is as if they are competing to see who could say the dumbest comment.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:30 PM
 
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Didn't Marco Rubio say that, if people worked for less, they wouldn't be replaced by machines?
People are being replaced regardless. You don't have to pay a salary and benefits like insurance and retirement to a machine. I would absolutely love to call a business and get an actual person to talk to instead of these machines.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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This country is over populated. There just aren't enough jobs to go around and yet you want more automation to put even more people out of work.
First, to believe that there aren't enough jobs, is to fundamentally misunderstand what a job is. There are theoretically an infinite number of jobs.


The real issue here, is a matter of "pay" and "economic growth".

The government wants wages to rise, and it wants people to be "employed"(as opposed to working "under the table", or being "self-sufficient", or bartering).

The government wants to drive up prices, and keep people in debt, and keep people working. Because that will lead to greater "economic growth". The government doesn't care about your well-being, nor does it honestly care about your wages. Except insofar as it might lead to greater economic growth.

That is the golden calf that we are all worshiping.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:40 PM
 
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First, to believe that there aren't enough jobs, is to fundamentally misunderstand what a job is. There are theoretically an infinite number of jobs.


The real issue here, is a matter of "pay" and "economic growth".

The government wants wages to rise, and it wants people to be "employed"(as opposed to working "under the table", or being "self-sufficient", or bartering).

The government wants to drive up prices, and keep people in debt, and keep people working. Because that will lead to greater "economic growth". The government doesn't care about your well-being, nor does it honestly care about your wages. Except insofar as it might lead to greater economic growth.

That is the golden calf that we are all worshiping.
Not really. You blame it on government, I blame it on technology. Jobs are just not there like they used to be. So how do we help these people who have been replaced by technology.
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