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Old 10-15-2015, 05:44 PM
 
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They pay anywhere from 40-60% income taxes though that pay for those benefits.
We envy the benefits though but never bring to light the cost of those benefits.

FICA is 6.5% for individuals. Last increased in 1990.
We should be paying closer to 12-15% FICA.
Their taxes may be high, but they get more out of their citizenship. OTOH, we don't see the benefots of the taxes we pay. The money mostly goes to the military.
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Their taxes may be high, but they get more out of their citizenship. OTOH, we don't see the benefots of the taxes we pay. The money mostly goes to the military.
FICA does not go to the military.
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Old 10-15-2015, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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you do realize that socialism, social democracy, communism, nazisism, and fascism are all part of the same family.
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I am only going to address this quote, not the rest of your diatribe.

Socialism has nothing to do with fascism or Nazis. Socialism and communism are left wing and represents public ownership of production. Fascism is an authoritarian right-wing system of government which partners with privately owned corporations. Social democracy is a capitalist based system, that has elected representatives that run the government, but has a varying degree of social functions run by the government.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Yeah, even the Scandinavians are concerned with hoarding money. But, you are correct, they still believe in capitalism as the engine of wealth creation. But, they use the engine of wealth creation more efficiently than we do. And their citizenship means something. With citizenship they get benefits that only Americans can dream about.
They pay regressive taxes for those benefits, which is exactly what the U.S. should be doing: tax regressively instead of progressively. The largest source of tax revenue in Scandinavian and European countries are their consumption taxes (VAT, etc.). That way, more is collected, and then likewise redistributed. Read the chart:

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho..._Labels_.0.jpg

How Sweden fights inequality - regressive, not progressive taxes

Different research team, same conclusion:

Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:20 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I am only going to address this quote, not the rest of your diatribe.

Socialism has nothing to do with fascism or Nazis.
On the contrary, indeed it does. Note the historical quotes included here:

https://www2.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/SOCFASC.HTML
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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If you recall, during Obamas first term he had the majority in both houses. Thats right... All Dem majority. Why didn't more get done?
That much we agree on, no-one in the right will admit it but he was trying to build consensus and reach across the aisle, what a waste he should have known better.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:35 AM
 
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Do you want to drive on the roads? Build your own damn roads!
Heh.

I make my own biofuel. Tax free and I use the roads.

The roads though are paid by fuel excise taxes.

Get a clue.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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On the contrary, indeed it does. Note the historical quotes included here:

https://www2.lawrence.edu/sorg/OBJECTIVISM/SOCFASC.HTML
I don't know if you read the article or just the title, but the writer defines facist as being in total control, while is true that the classic examples of socialism did involve total control, social democracy does not because it involves people voting , voters that can replace the regime therefore not in total control, I can argue that our current system is more of fascist capitalist state where corporations have total control via lobbying, and control over elections via citizens United and super pacs, a fact that everyone is aware of but only merits a collective shoulder shrug from both sides of the aisle.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I am only going to address this quote, not the rest of your diatribe.

Socialism has nothing to do with fascism or Nazis. Socialism and communism are left wing and represents public ownership of production. Fascism is an authoritarian right-wing system of government which partners with privately owned corporations. Social democracy is a capitalist based system, that has elected representatives that run the government, but has a varying degree of social functions run by the government.
socialism and fascism (which is socialism lite) are ANTI-FREEDOM big government

and FDR was a fascist

liberalism is fascism which is a form of socialism

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""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussoli
fascism is a form of socialism, which all connects to marxism

fascism is left


As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.


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.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations""" Zbigniew Brzezinski mentor/advisor to carter, bush1, clinton, cheney, and Obama
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"A Marxist/Fascist/Liberal begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of socialism, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul Alinsky
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We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
the NASI's were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) and they are very close to the MODERN liberal
simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, nationalization of all trusts(banks),social security, eminate domain(agrarian reform) , removing the guns from the people, demand the end of capitolism, state(country) provided education, blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),.. 'fairness doctrine"( censorship of talk radia), redistribution of wealth).....COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD .........

DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THE ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE LIBERALS, THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG..................
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THEY ARE ALSO A LARGE PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS

hitler came into power because germany (after ww1) was in economic depression and he was the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful,,he took true socialism, and spun it with fascism and the next thing you know he is a liberaL dictator.



fascism/socialism/communism/marxism don't REQUIRE a dictator..but any time you make the government so big and powerful a totalitarian or dictator could easily step in

liberalism leads to dictators

liberals and their nationalistic mottos:
hmmm YES WE CAN...or lets NATIONALIZE the oil companies.....more hopey changey


btw you do understand that left/right wing is just a way of describing....ie on one hand you have these, and on the other hand you have these


ie the democrats are to the right of the liberals...... would you call democrats ''rightwing''???



-------I-------------------------------------------------I---------------------------------------C---------------------------------------I-----------------------

far left socialism/communism----------------liberalism/fascism--------------democrats---------republicans-----------conservatives
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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uhm...by law..only a simple majority is required to pass a law

the 60 vote BS is about stopping a filibuster, the needed ploy to let the minority at least have a word in the fight


the fact is that from jan 2007 - jan 2011 dems had control, of both houses, and from jan 2009 to jan 2011 (two years) they had control of all three houses
Sure, if you ignore the fact that a supermajority has been required to pass almost everything in the past six years. It's not BS when the opposition party at the time threatened filibuster with nearly EVERY piece of legislation.
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