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Old 12-22-2014, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Houston
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What this comes down to is crazy people who ignore science want to add additional costs that us rational people will have to pay for through higher prices. As I said before, sellers of non GMO products can market to the crazies by labeling their products as non GMO.
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Old 12-22-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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Wow-

Yes I DO KNOW. Unlike you, I actually have degrees in the area of science. One of my friends actually conducts research on GMOs at Pioneer as a senior research scientist. We have a good laugh about the morons who do not understand the process at all, yet have strong opinions.

Genetic modification can be accomplished through selective cross breeding/pollination or through the lab.

The end result is the same, which is genetic modification of the organism. Only liberals believe that somehow, as current genetically modified agricultural products are created in the lab, these are different than other products.

Do you realize that these organic compounds are harmlessly digested in our GI tracts?

Do you realize that there has been NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE about detrimental effects of GMOs in humans?

Do you realize that YOU have been consuming genetically modified food since you were a child?


Wake up!
"GMO crops are looking far worse for people and planet than we ever imagined.

So, if anyone ever tries to convince you that hybrid seeds and GMOs are the same thing, or that genetic modification technology is “just another” form of seed breeding, you will know the truth: Hybrids are created through guided natural reproduction, while GMOs are the product of unnatural, high-tech methods used to create untested organisms that would never occur in nature."


Original article at: Hybrid Seeds Vs GMOs | Small Footprint Family
© 2013 Small Footprint Family™ | All rights reserved. NOTHING ON THIS SITE MAY BE REPUBLISHED OR REPRINTED WITHOUT EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE AUTHOR.

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Old 12-23-2014, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Lol, whenever a survey goes out 90%+ of the respondents say that they would prefer GMO foods to be labeled.
GMO is proven safer than '''organic'''


Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.

Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.

All of the alleged dangers of GM crops and food have been assessed by global experts and dismissed. Everyone from the European Union (EU) to the World Health Organization (WHO), National Academies of Science (NAS), Health Canada to the local Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA) agree there is no evidence of harm from consuming food made with GM ingredients.
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:47 AM
 
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GMO is proven safer than '''organic'''


Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops.
I'll take animal manure over corporate manure any day.

Watch what you're spreading on this thread!
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Old 12-23-2014, 01:55 AM
 
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I'm not sure if people know this or not, but humans have been eating genetically modified food (grains, etc...) since the beginning of agriculture. I don't know why anyone would think it sounds scary except it now has an acronym.
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Old 12-23-2014, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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where do you plan to find people that will stay in a secured environment for 10 years, eating only what you feed them, and how much do you think you would have to pay them to participate?

the kind of study you're demanding is not possible.
I think a lot of people would do it for the cost of free, virtually unlimited food alone. I would. Of course it would probably have to be the same food for every meal which makes it trickier.

Yes, the chance that they ate other food would be a confounding variable but with enough subjects that influence should be minimized.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:02 AM
 
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I'm not sure if people know this or not, but humans have been eating genetically modified food (grains, etc...) since the beginning of agriculture. I don't know why anyone would think it sounds scary except it now has an acronym.
Yes...People know this, and it's been discussed in this very thread. Again, there's a difference between the natural cross pollination that naturally occurs over the course of years and creating frankenstein food and making it so your pesticide grows within it and in turn us eating and digesting said pesticides and frankenstein food.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:04 AM
 
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GMO is proven safer than '''organic'''


Organic food is more dangerous than conventionally grown produce because organic farmers use animal manure as the major source of fertilizer for their food crops. Animal manure is the biggest reservoir of these nasty bacteria that are afflicting and killing so many people. Because of lack oversight, the organic industry has been plagued by contamination problems worldwide. When dealing with the potential dangers of un-composted feces, mere record-keeping and record-checking cannot possibly be expected to keep people safe. In one notorious recent case involving the finding of a novel strain of O104:H4 bacteria linked to an organic farm in Lower Saxony in Germany in 2011, 3,950 people were affected and 53 died.

Said simply. While manure used in organic farms can be deadly, the cumulative conclusion after more than 2000 studies of genetically modified foods is that GMOs pose no serious health or safety concerns. There is still no such thing as organic testing, neither in the field nor after harvest nor in any certified-organic processing facilities—and, most disturbingly, not on incoming shipments of certified-organic product from countries like China, Mexico or Argentina. These foreign shipments account for the majority of the certified-organic food being sold in North American grocery stores. Organic certification is all based on paperwork with no recourse to science.

All of the alleged dangers of GM crops and food have been assessed by global experts and dismissed. Everyone from the European Union (EU) to the World Health Organization (WHO), National Academies of Science (NAS), Health Canada to the local Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (VCHA) agree there is no evidence of harm from consuming food made with GM ingredients.
There's no evidence to support any of that tripe and even if it were true (which it isn't) people have the right to know and choose for themselves whether or not they want to eat GMO's, that's not up to you or anyone else to decide for them.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:09 AM
 
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I think a lot of people would do it for the cost of free, virtually unlimited food alone. I would. Of course it would probably have to be the same food for every meal which makes it trickier.

Yes, the chance that they ate other food would be a confounding variable but with enough subjects that influence should be minimized.
how many subjects?

I'm not sure you grasp what would be required here. all subjects would have to be confined for the entire 10 years, or let out (rarely) only with guards.

because otherwise i can already see what would happen when the health of the GMO eaters is no worse than those of the organics: a certain contingent of people would immediately begin wailing that the organics must have cheated and eaten some Cheetos made with that scary Bt corn or something

heck, they'd probably do that anyway, even if you did have the subjects under 24 hour guard. nothing will ever be enough.
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Old 12-23-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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There's no evidence to support any of that tripe and even if it were true (which it isn't) people have the right to know and choose for themselves whether or not they want to eat GMO's, that's not up to you or anyone else to decide for them.
why don't you simply insist that GMO-free foods be labled as such? (they usually are anyway).

or buy USDA organic.

simply put, if you're willing to put a little effort into it, you can already know if what you're eating contains GMO or not.
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