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Global warming is happening, whether its man made or not i have no idea i'm not a climatologist and rely on reading what the scientific community has to say on the issue, while to date theres no concensus on whether man is adversely causing this warming trend they are united in their conclusions about the Earth being in a warming phase.
Personally i can only wonder at what the consequences might be of burning 100 million barrels of oil worldwide everyday..
I also wonder whats the big deal? the global community of scientists proclaim the world is in a warming phase, OK so the world is warming up. Why then does a certain demographic go nuts in a desperate attempt to deny what the scientists have said...like who cares?
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The Doran survey is wholly unreliable, considering the 77 who responded out of the 10,257 who were asked to participate (0.75%) did so anonymously. We really do not know who actually responded. It could be some earth scientist's niece or nephew for all we know. Or it may have been just one earth scientist responding positively 75 times.
To put any stock into either study would be stupid, since neither are credible or provide an accurate assessment of the scientific community's consensus on the subject.
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Alarmists know this; but, it does not stop them from perpetuating the distortion of truth - ends always justify their means.
Considering the fact that the poster told HUGE WHOPPERS about:
-The number of scientists who participated in the survey. 3146 participated, not 77. The 77 figure comes fron the fact that 5% were specialist climate scientists and 3069 were from related earth science fields like geophysics, geochemistry, oceanography, paleontology etc.
-That this survey was the only place the 97% consensus figure comes from. There are several other studies which support a majority consensus.
-About the number of questions. It was 9 questions, not 2.
-That one scientist could respond 75 times. The survey was set up to only allow a one time participation.
-That it was anonymous. The names were kept private, but they were not anonymous.
So WHO is distorting the truth?
All it shows is that the poster got their (distorted) 'truths' from conspiracy sources not from reading the actual published articles themselves. Obviously you do too.
-The number of scientists who participated in the survey. 3146 participated, not 77. The 77 figure comes fron the fact that 5% were specialist climate scientists and 3069 were from related earth science fields like geophysics, geochemistry, oceanography, paleontology etc.
That's one of the issues, if you are a geologist studying ancient climate is your specialty climate or geology? Note it's the 7 that encompass the 97%.
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-That this survey was the only place the 97% consensus figure comes from. There are several other studies which support a majority consensus.
None of them have polled scientists directly and most arbitrarily assign a point of view to the studies many times inaccurately or counter to what the authors view is.
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-That one scientist could respond 75 times. The survey was set up to only allow a one time participation.
There is issues with that as well because the polling service they were using was blocking repeat IP's, buildings or even entire campuses could have the same IP.
All the other issues aside a s far as the Doran study goes it boils down to one major flaw:
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2. Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?
What is the quantification of significant? As I've already pointed out this is cleverly worded question designed to elicit a response. If man has been been able to alter the climate at all that could be considered significant even if it was inconsequential.
There is issues with that as well because the polling service they were using was blocking repeat IP's, buildings or even entire campuses could have the same IP.
The same person can also have multiple IPs. If they are using DSL, then every time they connect they are issued a different IP.
Global warming is happening, whether its man made or not i have no idea i'm not a climatologist and rely on reading what the scientific community has to say on the issue, while to date theres no concensus on whether man is adversely causing this warming trend they are united in their conclusions about the Earth being in a warming phase.
Personally i can only wonder at what the consequences might be of burning 100 million barrels of oil worldwide everyday..
I also wonder whats the big deal? the global community of scientists proclaim the world is in a warming phase, OK so the world is warming up. Why then does a certain demographic go nuts in a desperate attempt to deny what the scientists have said...like who cares?
Nobody denies that earth has warmed since the end of the last ice age. I recognize that climate and weather fluctuates and is variable. In the geologic timeframe, the last 100 years is a blip. Based on their own data, there have been other 100 year periods in the past 11,400 years that have warmed just as fast. There were other periods that it cooled rapidly. If one is going to take a truly macro and global approach, then the larger data set of millions of years is just as important: that set shows we are getting cooler.
The issue isn't the change, and not even the cause. It's the liberal mentality of taxing and distribution of wealth under the pretext of science. The science isn't settled, and if it was they wouldn't manipulate data to achieve their goal. It's politics.
Most of the year I walk at 6am but it's 33F this morning which is 1 degree lower than average; I guess I'll drive for coffee.
You didn't debunk anything and if you are going to debate this topic with me you better be very careful about challenging anything I post as a statement of fact becsue you are going to get put in your place every time.
I really don't see how your continuing to believe things after I prove they're lies puts me in my place. I'm terribly sorry that real scientists upset you by not responding to right-wing harassment in a timely enough fashion to keep you from getting sad, but that doesn't actually support the claims of falsifying results and such that right-wingers like yourself make because the scientists' findings contradict the lies of your idiot masters. Now go read your tabloids so you know what to think.
The same person can also have multiple IPs. If they are using DSL, then every time they connect they are issued a different IP.
That's not really relevant, they used a polling service that is going to use something like a unique URL or login for each person the poll is sent to it.
I really don't see how your continuing to believe things after I prove they're lies puts me in my place.
The only thing you have proved is your inability to debate topic.
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but that doesn't actually support the claims of falsifying results
Move the goal post now? LOL
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OK so the world is warming up. Why then does a certain demographic go nuts in a desperate attempt to deny what the scientists have said...like who cares?
