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Old 11-28-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Canada
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He never did say it was acceptable to Steal and the Corporate Cronies and Banksters are doing just that with a Government I pay taxes to.

They are stealing representation away from those that don't have money to buy politicians even though my taxes are going to a government that is supposed to be representing everyone.

If you want to take up the problem of those getting welfare handouts and foodstamps, even though many are working, take it up with the criminal corporations and banks that want to steal from me to subsidize others that they should already be paying for.


The Poor, Illegal Immigrants and so forth do not have the Political nor Monetary Power like the ones buying politicians at the top have. They are not the ones stealing. That would be your hero's.
Hey, I'm with you when it comes to corporate handouts and the sociopathic element behind most corporations. This, however, does not justify socialism. Socialism further empowers said criminal element, since they get to raid the funds that the government forcibly confiscated from you.

 
Old 11-28-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Hey, I'm with you when it comes to corporate handouts and the sociopathic element behind most corporations. This, however, does not justify socialism. Socialism further empowers said criminal element, since they get to raid the funds that the government forcibly confiscated from you.
Agreed!

There is a Hegelian Dialect taking place in our Government as policy where Obama and his administration are all for the poor black man (I am white) is pro food stamp and welfare so forth, when his actions tell a different story where he is 100% Pro Fascism, Corporatism, Cronyism (Take your pick)

Food Stamps, Welfare and so on, existed well before he came on the scene, but the number on it has increased thanks to the criminal corporations and banks that are infesting our government.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Matthew 19:21 - Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Since the Catholic hierarchy clearly doesn't do this, I guess that would make the pope fallible after all.
I'm agnostic so I could care less about the.Church. However, why do you care so much?
 
Old 11-28-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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I'm agnostic so I could care less about the.Church. However, why do you care so much?
Take a look at the thread title. This isn't about agnosticism.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 01:57 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Agreed!

There is a Hegelian Dialect taking place in our Government as policy where Obama and his administration are all for the poor black man (I am white) is pro food stamp and welfare so forth, when his actions tell a different story where he is 100% Pro Fascism, Corporatism, Cronyism (Take your pick)

Food Stamps, Welfare and so on, existed well before he came on the scene, but the number on it has increased thanks to the criminal corporations and banks that are infesting our government.
They are increasing because tens of trillions of dollars of private assets were lost, resulting in decreased demand, resulting in less jobs. All on top of outsourcing and technology making jobs scarcer and more likely to have lower wages.

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Old 11-28-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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Take a look at the thread title. This isn't about agnosticism.
And it isn't about Catholic bashing either.... So what's your excuse?
 
Old 11-28-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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The Pope is right, but the key word is unfettered. Without that word, this is an altogether different discussion.

The problem we have is not capitalism, but the sheer size of corporations today and the resulting nearly complete control of....well....everything....that they exert. The vast majority of all wealth under the control of a handful of people. You bet your boots that is tyranny, as plain as the nose on your face....and a grave threat to the freedom and well being of every citizen, conservative and liberal alike.

The impediment that we have today blocking the clear solution to this problem is that most people fall into one of two misguided groups. "Conservatives" whose blind ideology prevents their seeing or acknowledging the problem....and "liberals" who think the answer is for government to cut the rich down to size by taxing it all away from them. Robbing from one tyrant to fortify and empower another.

You hit the nail on the head there Crown.
The massive amount of power and wealth held by any organization, company or government, especially when they get in bed together, will fight and do everything in their power to keep it that way. The Big Corporations that have gotten in bed with Government are no longer operating on Capitalist Principles when they themselves control the markets.

They do not want capitalist competition and are doing everything to gain more market share and control for themselves including owning the government to tailor to their every whim.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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They are increasing because tens of trillions of dollars of private assets were lost, resulting in decreased demand, resulting in less jobs. All on top of outsourcing and technology making jobs scarcer and less likely to have lower wages.
Private assets lost because of the irresponsible gambling done on Wall Street, and we are still paying for it while they reap the benefits from the downside and the upside of the mess.

Wall Street loves outsourcing, cheap overseas labor and emerging markets in the East all to the detriment of this nation.
Our Government serves them when it should be enacting policies to serve the best interests of the whole nation.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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Try to follow the thread instead of coming in late and going off half-cocked.
Quoting Scripture does not equal "Catholic bashing". Any more trite one-liners for me?
You've done more than quoting scripture and quite frankly I don't have to read the entire thread to get an idea of where people stand.

But hey correct me...... so then you do support the Catholic Church and its current pope's message?
 
Old 11-28-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Private assets lost because of the irresponsible gambling done on Wall Street, and we are still paying for it while they reap the benefits from the downside and the upside of the mess.

Wall Street loves outsourcing, cheap overseas labor and emerging markets in the East all to the detriment of this nation.
Our Government serves them when it should be enacting policies to serve the best interests of the whole nation.
Well I agree. Don't know what Obama, socialism, and criminal element have to do with how we got here though in your previous post.
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