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Corporations are not nations, nations are not corporations. Does this help in your understand of how it is not an apt comparison?
Comparisons are supposed to be about finding telling similarities in different things to make a point. The fact is the Soviet Union was run like a capitalist corporation, it utilized a capitalist mode of organization, practically the only thing socialist about it was it's rhetoric. Do you not even believe that state capitalism is a thing, what you think capitalism is?
Well first off, you strip people's freedom of choice from them & it's immoral to take away someone's natural born rights. Secondly, when Progressives wax about Socialism they have this dream of some benign Uncle Sam looking out for everyone's best interests, but that's not reality. Reality is Government is ruled by power hungry scumbags, just like major corporations. The Progressives like to point to Sweden or Finland as their examples of how Utopian it really is, but the those countries aren't highly aggressive military states like we are. The countries with highly aggressive military states that have tried communism are Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Cuba & North Korea. Unknowingly that's what the rank & file Progressive is fighting for & many of us will resist that type of Government.
1. Why do you think socialism in and of itself strips freedom of a choice, collective ownership generally gives people a say in their work environment, also socialism doesn't have to mean no market, I'm a free market libertarian socialist and I'm telling you that's not true, co-operatives participating in a market economy is very socialist.
2. Why equate socialism with a powerful state? The Haudenosaunee for an example of a mass society were socialist, they held their lands communally, and they also had participatory democracy, they were a large essentially libertarian socialist society, is that a bad thing?
3. The definition of a Communist society is a stateless, classless, moneyless society based upon common ownership of the means of production, that definition fits none of those societies. And Nazi Germany didn't even give lip service to Communism, they were fervently anti-communist.
Seriously.... Why are Americans so Anti-Socialised? Reading on this forum I am speechless.
They hate government restriction, hate labor law protecting workers, and so pro corporates. Are people brainwashed or whats going on?
Take a look at Germany as an example... Socialized nation with lower unemployment rate than us, higher quality of life, much less or no poverty, and largest economy in Europe. They have 82 million people, still a lot.
Germans may be an exception but most socialist societies make people lazy. It is human nature to do things that are in ones self interest. Free market capitalism encourages hard work because you can improve your lot in life if you work harder. I think there is a place for private labor unions to protect workers against greed, another trait of human nature. (not government unions though, different issue)
Socialism requires confiscatory tax rates the discourage hard work, overtime, entreprenuership, inventions etc. Government regulation also increases the cost and ease of starting a business and operating one. The American system made the USA the greatest economic super power in the world. We are only heading downward in recent years due to too much spending, (mostly on social programs) too much regulation and loss of personal freedoms.
Successful socialist bakeries, yes they are an example of success, there are oodles of socialist businesses out there just not all are that famous.
there are no "socialist bakeries" or other businesses. Cooperatives or other co-owned businesses are not socialist, they are common-owned businesses in a normal market society.
Comparisons are supposed to be about finding telling similarities in different things to make a point. The fact is the Soviet Union was run like a capitalist corporation, it utilized a capitalist mode of organization, practically the only thing socialist about it was it's rhetoric. Do you not even believe that state capitalism is a thing, what you think capitalism is?
but it has absolutely nothing to do with the realities of soviet union.
Soviet Union was a standard bearer for socialist country, and for a very brief period in 1918 even for communism in it's military state( war communism is another synonym)
the closest resemblance of a mixture between socialist country and a state capitalism is modern China.
But neither USSR, nor China before 80s or any other standard eastern bloc country( or today's North Korea) were state capitalism.
Germans may be an exception but most socialist societies make people lazy. It is human nature to do things that are in ones self interest. Free market capitalism encourages hard work because you can improve your lot in life if you work harder. I think there is a place for private labor unions to protect workers against greed, another trait of human nature. (not government unions though, different issue)
Socialism requires confiscatory tax rates the discourage hard work, overtime, entreprenuership, inventions etc. Government regulation also increases the cost and ease of starting a business and operating one. The American system made the USA the greatest economic super power in the world. We are only heading downward in recent years due to too much spending, (mostly on social programs) too much regulation and loss of personal freedoms.
What socialist societies make people lazy? And since when does socialism require tax rates like that and government regulation that inhibits entrepeneurship, it doesn't even sound like you're talking about socialism rather capitalism with a well funded safety net. Socialism isn't about taxation and government regulation, it's about social ownership of the means of production.
there are no "socialist bakeries" or other businesses. Cooperatives or other co-owned businesses are not socialist, they are common-owned businesses in a normal market society.
Yes they are, socialism means social ownership of the means of production, which is what a co-operative is, it's socially owned by it's workers.
a separate business, or financial organization ( as credit union, for example) can not be "socialist".
the society/country/economy can be socialist.
stop applying your own "liberal meaning" to the defined terms.
It's a factual meaning, I doubt you know the meaning of socialism.
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