Why hate socialism so much??????????? (rates, war, spend, market)
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So instead of quoting me correctly and addressing my points you opt instead to just cut out most of the post and mock me, that's weak.
You attempted to compare corporations with governments in order to make a failed attempt to gain support for socialism. I'd say you brought the mockery on yourself.
You attempted to compare corporations with governments in order to make a failed attempt to gain support for socialism. I'd say you brought the mockery on yourself.
How is it not an apt comparison? If a state is acting like a corporation don't it make it a capitalist state? And if a corporation is acting like USSR does that make the corporation "socialist"?
How is it not an apt comparison? If a state is acting like a corporation don't it make it a capitalist state? And if a corporation is acting like USSR does that make the corporation "socialist"?
Corporations are not nations, nations are not corporations. Does this help in your understand of how it is not an apt comparison?
Seriously.... Why are Americans so Anti-Socialised? Reading on this forum I am speechless.
They hate government restriction, hate labor law protecting workers, and so pro corporates. Are people brainwashed or whats going on?
Take a look at Germany as an example... Socialized nation with lower unemployment rate than us, higher quality of life, much less or no poverty, and largest economy in Europe. They have 82 million people, still a lot.
Well first off, you strip people's freedom of choice from them & it's immoral to take away someone's natural born rights. Secondly, when Progressives wax about Socialism they have this dream of some benign Uncle Sam looking out for everyone's best interests, but that's not reality. Reality is Government is ruled by power hungry scumbags, just like major corporations. The Progressives like to point to Sweden or Finland as their examples of how Utopian it really is, but the those countries aren't highly aggressive military states like we are. The countries with highly aggressive military states that have tried communism are Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Cuba & North Korea. Unknowingly that's what the rank & file Progressive is fighting for & many of us will resist that type of Government.
Corporations are not nations, nations are not corporations. Does this help in your understand of how it is not an apt comparison?
The two are about as intertwined & incestuous as can possibly be. I'm not sure how you can even deny this? Republicans seem to want Corporations to call the shots, Democrats want Government Bureaucrats to call the shouts. To me, to many, they're the same thing. Personally, I want the people to call the shots & that can only happen in a free country, with a Constitution that tilts far towards the rights of it's citizens & severely limits the powers of the Government.
The two are about as intertwined & incestuous as can possibly be. I'm not sure how you can even deny this? Republicans seem to want Corporations to call the shots, Democrats want Government Bureaucrats to call the shouts. To me, to many, they're the same thing. Personally, I want the people to call the shots & that can only happen in a free country, with a Constitution that tilts far towards the rights of it's citizens & severely limits the powers of the Government.
The United States has a Constitution which severely limits the powers of the Government and guarantees the rights of the people. Unfortunately, the citizens of the United States have become complacent about allowing the Government to extend its powers and abrogate the rights of the people.
The question of whether or not corporations and governments are intertwined isn't the point of the conversation you are jumping into. We actually have the same view on that. The previous poster was using the existence of corporations which provide certain benefits to their employees as some sort of justification for a socialist government, which is a false argument and shows an astounding lack of knowledge about what socialism is.
Ayllus? Alvarado Street Bakery? Arizmendi Bakery? Mondragon Corporation? Countless examples of collective ownership throughout history?
You cite a bakery as an example of success? Yes Mondragon seems to be functioning. But there are no successful countries that are socialist.
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