Did the prosecutors make a mistake by not proposing that Martin acted in self defense? (drugs, money)
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Wow, this must have been 5th time I told you that following someone was no illegal. Being followed doesn't justify use of force, any force.
Martin could stand his ground all right and had no duty to retreat but he surely did have the duty NOT to attack!!!
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Last edited by sickofnyc; 07-15-2013 at 11:56 AM..
Are you sure? Were you there? How can you be so sure that it was not Zimmerman's face fell onto Martin's fist?
I don't need to be in this case. It's ludicrous to think that Zimmerman fell on TM's fist several times, giving himself a broken nose, two black eyes AND then slammed his own head into the pavement until his head split open....
Wow, this must have been 5th time I told you that following someone was no illegal. Being followed doesn't justify use of force, any force.
Martin could stand his ground all right and had no duty to retreat but he surely did have the duty NOT to attack!!!
ITA! Following someone is not a crime. Attacking someone who is following you is.
When I took self defense, I was taught to walk quickly to somewhere where I could get help if I was being followed. Turning around and attacking could be a death sentence.
Hey, do you remember that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin to death? What is this "lack of injuries" you speak of?
Lack of injuries indicating that Zimmerman was attacking TM. It was TM attacking Zimmerman. Zimmerman then shot in self defense to end the beating. Unfortunately, the shot was fatal.
TM had two injuries. His fist was bloodied and the gunshot wound indicating that he was doing the beating. Given the gunshot wound was fatal, I don't think it came first. That means TM was beating Zimmerman before he was shot. This very well could be a case of self defense and, in our justice system, the benefit of a doubt goes to the defendant in such cases. It was up to the prosecution to prove this was not a self defense shooting. They failed to make their case.
I don't need to be in this case. It's ludicrous to think that Zimmerman fell on TM's fist several times, giving himself a broken nose, two black eyes AND then slammed his own head into the pavement until his head split open....
It's only ludicrous that certain people refuse to see the obvious. It's very obvious that Zimmerman fell onto Martin's fist multiple times, then he fired at Martin after he got a broken nose and two black eyes, the recoil knocked him over onto his back and he hit his head on the way down.
Martin was standing there doing absolutely no harm to anybody and just got shot.
Yes...when you think that someone unidentified is followIng you is armed, due to the fact that they reach into their pocket when you confront them, you assume the Lotus Position and start to chant thus.... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Why would you confront your follower if you think he's that dangerous?
Lack of injuries indicating that Zimmerman was attacking TM. It was TM attacking Zimmerman. Zimmerman then shot in self defense to end the beating. Unfortunately, the shot was fatal.
TM had two injuries. His fist was bloodied and the gunshot wound indicating that he was doing the beating. Given the gunshot wound was fatal, I don't think it came first.
So much conjecture here, I don't even know where to begin. There is only one person who knows exactly what happened. Anyone else concocting a storyline is speculating at best, and making s**t up at worst. About 99% of the comments on city-data regarding this case are the latter.
All we know for sure is that (1) George Zimmerman was following Trayvon Martin (against the advice of the police dispatcher); and (2) George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin to death. A jury (presumably) weighed the evidence and decided it was self-defense. That doesn't mean any of them know exactly what happened.
One of the key timeline issues the defense pointed out was the amount of time Martin had to get home after initially running from Zimmerman. This allowed the defense to separate the two incidents... i.e. Zimmerman profiling/following Martin was disconnected from Martin "assaulting" Zimmerman. Combine that with the physical injuries that Zimmerman received and the lack of injuries (other than the GSW) to Martin, and it's easy to see how the defense won the trial.
In hindsight, do you think the prosecution should have more forcefully introduced the theory that it was Martin who was acting in self defense? After all, the Florida self defense/stand your ground law doesn't require a person in fear of their life (evidenced by Martin initially running from Zimmerman) to retreat... thus there was no requirement for Martin to run home, and he was well within his rights to lay in wait for Zimmerman and jump out in self defense as Zimmerman walked through the neighborhood searching for Martin.
It just seems to me that the defense was able to win this case by separating the two confrontations between Zimmerman and Martin... and the prosecution, by sitting idly, allowed that swap of aggressor/self defender.
The problem with that theory is that Rachel testified that TM said he had made it close to his back porch. This would indicate that he had reached safety if he was fearful. The fact that he left safety to go to the area where the confrontation occurred would indicate that he was no longer fearful. This was the point of the 4 minutes of silence during the trial.
It's only ludicrous that certain people refuse to see the obvious. It's very obvious that Zimmerman fell onto Martin's fist multiple times, then he fired at Martin after he got a broken nose and two black eyes, the recoil knocked him over onto his back and he hit his head on the way down.
Martin was standing there doing absolutely no harm to anybody and just got shot.
How can people not see this?
I don't know. Now that you say it, it's clear as the nose on my armpit.... Zimmerman is very talented to have pulled this off.
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Zimmerman is very talented to have pulled this off.
