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Martin Luther King and his wife Coreta Scott King both agreed that ssm was a civil rights issue. She said back in 2003 " Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream, to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people"
In 1998 she called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood" she also stated " This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group"
I remind people all the time that the civil rights movement was not just about black people, it was about the rights all of us have. Once a precedent is set to remove a groups rights by the majority, who elses rights are up on the chopping block next, Jewish people because they are few? Pick your minority and see who can be next. You?
there is no way MLK was for same sex "marriage" I doubt you would find more then 1000 people living (and most of them in asylums) in the country at the time he was shot who were in favor of 2 men "marrying" each other at the time he was shot.
there is no way MLK was for same sex "marriage" I doubt you would find more then 1000 people living (and most of them in asylums) in the country at the time he was shot who were in favor of 2 men "marrying" each other at the time he was shot.
So what?
Even, assuming you are right, the same thing could have been said 40 years ago about interracial marriage. We don't legislate today based on what people 40 years ago thought.
Driven by a surge in support among the young and minorities, a majority of Americans now supports gay marriage, marking an abrupt shift in public opinion on a divisive issue.
The nonsense of the first sentence of the article notwithstanding, there is nothing abrupt about the trend, as the above graph (from the article itself) shows. Rather, the increase in support has been steady and predictable.
Ohio has a lot of conservative rural areas. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't vote in favor of gay marriage.
I wouldn't be shocked, either. But then, I wouldn't have been surprised if Maryland have voted against same-sex marriage this year. And I was surprised when Minnesota (where I live) voted down the proposed constitutional ban.
If the vote is held I expect it to be close, as were the votes this year.
This is not my idea -- I've read it many times -- but it bears repeating. The reason gays are coming to be accepted is that they are coming out of the closet so that people can see them and realize they are not anything special.
Me and my partner are something of an example. We kept our relationship as being "just friends" with my partner's family for many years. This allowed them to deny the reality and maintain their prejudices. (My own family has known I'm gay since I was in my teens, and I was lucky enough to have a gay uncle who kinda educated the family in my behalf).
About twenty years ago we decided this was silly and "came out" to his father, probably the most conservative of the family (they are firm Presbyterians, which, as Christian denominations go, tend to be more reasonable). His response was that he already figured as much, and he was happy that we had such a stable relationship. (In the recent state of Washington elections on the matter, he was a vocal supporter of gay rights).
One time we had lunch at a restaurant with one of my partner's sisters and her
religiously fundamentalist husband. We talked about the stock market and the problems of small businessmen. The feedback I got was that he was pleased I was such a good Republican, and that he was surprised a gay man could be so indistinguishable from other businessmen.
This is not my idea -- I've read it many times -- but it bears repeating. The reason gays are coming to be accepted is that they are coming out of the closet so that people can see them and realize they are not anything special.
Me and my partner are something of an example. We kept our relationship as being "just friends" with my partner's family for many years. This allowed them to deny the reality and maintain their prejudices. (My own family has known I'm gay since I was in my teens, and I was lucky enough to have a gay uncle who kinda educated the family in my behalf).
About twenty years ago we decided this was silly and "came out" to his father, probably the most conservative of the family (they are firm Presbyterians, which, as Christian denominations go, tend to be more reasonable). His response was that he already figured as much, and he was happy that we had such a stable relationship. (In the recent state of Washington elections on the matter, he was a vocal supporter of gay rights).
One time we had lunch at a restaurant with one of my partner's sisters and her
religiously fundamentalist husband. We talked about the stock market and the problems of small businessmen. The feedback I got was that he was pleased I was such a good Republican, and that he was surprised a gay man could be so indistinguishable from other businessmen.
Indeed.
It's much easier to fear and hate a lurid caricature spun of a homosexual (and that is the word that will be used during the spinning) than your uncle/daughter/sibling/cousin who says "I'm gay".
And the coming out is one of positive feedback. The more it happens, the more it:
a) destroys caricatures, and
b) encourages more coming out
It's why you see so many angry posters complain about gays 'flaunting it' (code for 'daring to emerge from the closet'). They know, on some level, that such visibility is undermining their hate.
This is not my idea -- I've read it many times -- but it bears repeating. The reason gays are coming to be accepted is that they are coming out of the closet so that people can see them and realize they are not anything special.
Me and my partner are something of an example. We kept our relationship as being "just friends" with my partner's family for many years. This allowed them to deny the reality and maintain their prejudices. (My own family has known I'm gay since I was in my teens, and I was lucky enough to have a gay uncle who kinda educated the family in my behalf).
About twenty years ago we decided this was silly and "came out" to his father, probably the most conservative of the family (they are firm Presbyterians, which, as Christian denominations go, tend to be more reasonable). His response was that he already figured as much, and he was happy that we had such a stable relationship. (In the recent state of Washington elections on the matter, he was a vocal supporter of gay rights).
One time we had lunch at a restaurant with one of my partner's sisters and her
religiously fundamentalist husband. We talked about the stock market and the problems of small businessmen. The feedback I got was that he was pleased I was such a good Republican, and that he was surprised a gay man could be so indistinguishable from other businessmen.
Thank you for posting such a nice, though provoking post!
This is what makes acceptance happen. Not the crazy, in your face, accept my beliefs but I will demean yours type of rhetoric that is so often seen here from the gay community.
Thank you for posting such a nice, though provoking post!
This is what makes acceptance happen. Not the crazy, in your face, accept my beliefs but I will demean yours type of rhetoric that is so often seen here from the gay community.
I don't read every gay-oriented thread or every post, but my impression is there's an equality of in your face rhetoric from ssm supporters and opponents. A bunch of supporters tend to mock the religious beliefs of opponents and attribute All opposition to hate and bigotry. A bunch of opponents tend to mock the very being of gay people. Neither group is very helpful to their 'side'.
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