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Old 11-23-2012, 08:41 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Obamacare is a beautiful thing- particularly if one enjoys unemployment and poverty. This is what the nation "bought" with four more years of Obama.

The nation deserves Obama and everything he will do to it over the next four years. If idiocy goes unpunished, it will continue.

You said it! idiocy does go unpunished, but not without notice. Four more years of Obama, there will be no more 4 yrs of Obama, we are going down.

Already happening, people can make all the dang excuses they want for their Guy, does not make nor change a different, in what Comapnies are doing and why. Most of us are LOAO at the excuses.

Most of us do know why, the others can fool themselves all they want.

The Nation bought 4 more yrs of extreme poverty, and welfare, really expect that to change! come on now with Obama, no fudgin way.

I don't care what people get for voting Obama, i already knew the first week after he won re-election, a couple people let go from their jobs. Infact they are still seeking to find a full time job.

One idiot, who deserves what he got voted for the fool, other two did not. Really! did not make a different who one voted for, those who did not vote for the fool, are going to suffer, and thank you very much.
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Old 11-24-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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You said it! idiocy does go unpunished, but not without notice. Four more years of Obama, there will be no more 4 yrs of Obama, we are going down.

Already happening, people can make all the dang excuses they want for their Guy, does not make nor change a different, in what Comapnies are doing and why. Most of us are LOAO at the excuses.

Most of us do know why, the others can fool themselves all they want.

The Nation bought 4 more yrs of extreme poverty, and welfare, really expect that to change! come on now with Obama, no fudgin way.

I don't care what people get for voting Obama, i already knew the first week after he won re-election, a couple people let go from their jobs. Infact they are still seeking to find a full time job.

One idiot, who deserves what he got voted for the fool, other two did not. Really! did not make a different who one voted for, those who did not vote for the fool, are going to suffer, and thank you very much.
Amazing, isn't it. The Obama voters actually expect to get more jobs, higher pay, and a higher standard of living, when his first admin delivered exactly the opposite.

Now, with the weight of new tax increases and Obamacare, things will be worse than they were in the first admin. Of course, most of those hurt by these policies will be exactly those who voted for Obama. They are probably so dumb that they will vote for another democrat who will do the same thing four years from now. They will blame the republicans, yet heap more taxes, more regulations, and more impediments to business, driving the middle class into poverty. Have no fear, however, the dems will be there go provide foodstamps for all the people that they have impoverished.

Obama's second term will have effectively destroyed the US. Get ready for the Balkanization of the US. No wonder our enemies are so thrilled with Obama- he has delivered to them in a short time what all the military might of these nations could not do- destroy America.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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Yep, them poor suckers who have their hours cut and then get fined for not having insurance ain't gonna be real happy.

Why would they get fined for not having insurance? They'll mostly qualify for Medicaid or get a substantial subsidy to buy insurance.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Amazing, isn't it. The Obama voters actually expect to get more jobs, higher pay, and a higher standard of living, when his first admin delivered exactly the opposite.

Now, with the weight of new tax increases and Obamacare, things will be worse than they were in the first admin. Of course, most of those hurt by these policies will be exactly those who voted for Obama. They are probably so dumb that they will vote for another democrat who will do the same thing four years from now. They will blame the republicans, yet heap more taxes, more regulations, and more impediments to business, driving the middle class into poverty. Have no fear, however, the dems will be there go provide foodstamps for all the people that they have impoverished.

Obama's second term will have effectively destroyed the US. Get ready for the Balkanization of the US. No wonder our enemies are so thrilled with Obama- he has delivered to them in a short time what all the military might of these nations could not do- destroy America.
Deny, deny, deny. What a bubble of delirium you seem to be in - must be sour grapes. Get over it.
Deny that he has a republican congress which for four years tried to damage the country for its own political gain - and it didn't work. Yeah, congress deals with those things you mentioned - so blame them.
Voter suppression, big money, dirty tricks - the tools of republicanism throughout our recent history what a pathetic, desperate, unscrupulous bunch.

His administration had to deal with these traitors, and he did it rather successfully. Now the question is, will they continue with their shameful scheming.
To sign a pledge to a corporate lobbyist - I don't believe we have ever had such a treasonist bunch in our history.
And you typically seem to have a strong opinion about Obamacare without bothering to find out what it is. Well it's a compromise with repugs, so it's what you deserve.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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So? Why are the cons whining? Let them get their own health insurance. What ever happened to that old "personal responsibility" argument? Falls flat when people expect nanny-employer to take care of them?
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Default Ignorance on universal health care

I have read a lot about Obamacare, and until you have lived in both universal health care and private insurance, you have NO idea how much better UHC is. I am not sure why American's are afraid of Univerisal Health Care, because it costs so much less and you still receive quality, if not better care. This also means no discrimination on pre-existing conditions and much more. I think there needs to be better explanations to American's as well as more literature on this so that fear isn't ruining what could be a good thing for a lot of the US. I am an American who married a Canadian, and hence lived in Canada for 27 years. Healthcare here has NEVER failed me here. You can go to a doctor 20 times a week if you like and there is no charge, same for specialists, surgury and hospitalization, this also includes child birth. Dental and wellness is not covered unless this is under your benefit package with your employer. Most employers here offer a benefit package as well at a very low rate and these plans cover 60-100% of all dental, as well as 100% of wellness up to a maximum. The only negative I can say is that we don't have enough doctors and nurses up in Canada to facilitate our country. I am moving back to the US this Summer, as I am now divorced and my oldest daughter is attending University down there. I am alittle scared of the options that will be open to me. I know I can secure employment and will be looking for a plan through that. I can't imagine going through life not being able to see a doctor when you are sick. The insurance companies in the US are the ones ripping off American's NOT the government. American's and Canadian's are very blessed. Anyway, that is my two cent's worth. If you have any questions, let me know. Have a great day!
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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"The solution, says United Steelworkers representative Jeff Cech, is that adjunct professors should unionize in an attempt to thwart schools seeking similar cost-savings efforts from avoiding Obamacare"

THAT'S the other unintended (or maybe intended) consequence of Obamacare.

All this cutting hours and all the whining about increasing shopping hours will see a whole lot more people in unions as they push to "protect workers". United Steelworkers advising adjunct professors. There will be a push soon from SEIU re: retail employees.
Exactly! The unions backed Obama and all healthcare workers will be unionized soon. Notice that we are hearing a lot about unions right now. They think they sit in the presidents chair. They pushed too hard on one company and 18,500 people lost their jobs. They are still trying to unionize Wal-mart workers sending busses of people out to picket illegally.

It's now all about the unions who take 1.7% of peoples wages, either voluntarily or forced. The unions are also in the hole (only have 60% of the payout needed) for paying unionized workers who are retiring so it's the great pyramid at work. So to pay for those exorbitant and rich union leaders and get the other 40% they must bring in new blood.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:33 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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Why wasn't it? Because the GOP and conservatives were dead against ANY bill. The current law was the best that could have gotten passed.

Even after all the compromises, not a single Republican voted for it.
American people thoroughly rejected the lefts agenda. The only way Reid and Pelosi got it done is to can get all Obamacare down before the next Congress is sworn. It was done in a backroom deal on Christmas Eve.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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So? Why are the cons whining? Let them get their own health insurance. What ever happened to that old "personal responsibility" argument? Falls flat when people expect nanny-employer to take care of them?
Employers offered benefits but did it due to a competitive (employees market). Government will just screw it up just like they did Benghazi. We want government to stay out of our business.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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The Republicans did not WANT to discuss the legislation. Instead, they spent their time planning on repealing the entire thing - WHEN THEY WON THE 2012 RE-ELECTION.

Didn't happen. Maybe now, they wished they had joined in a bit on some of those discussions?
Your right, it didn't happen but now many employees jobs don't exist.
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