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Old 06-26-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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Did the people who live near this power plant and have to deal with this every day deserve this mess?



How about the people who had their property ruined by this?
Sorry, but the govt supports this. You seem to allude to the fact that w/o a big govt agency this wouldn't happen. Publicly traded companies are "owned" by the govt. The govt plays both sides of the fence. Heck look at the Radiation monitors when Fukushima started.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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Sorry, but the govt supports this. You seem to allude to the fact that w/o a big govt agency this wouldn't happen. Publicly traded companies are "owned" by the govt. The govt plays both sides of the fence. Heck look at the Radiation monitors when Fukushima started.
Erm, the government via the EPA is trying to rein in this mess. The power plant in the first image is privately owned, as is the coal mine in the second image.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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yeah, lets just babble hate and not include one bit of fact because we all know the GOP wants to just poison the earth until little babies choke and die.

ooh wait, thats democrats.
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BTW...If you think that my post was "'hateful" as opposed to truthful, you are incredibly deluded.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:24 PM
 
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Erm, the government via the EPA is trying to rein in this mess. The power plant in the first image is privately owned, as is the coal mine in the second image.
Do you know the names of the companies in question? Are either of those "private" companies publicly traded? (looks like a sierra club image and something from the washington independent) If so you can bet they are "owned" via controlling shares in govt investment funds. What many refer to as "private" companies are really not private.

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Old 06-27-2012, 12:39 AM
 
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Do you know the names of the companies in question? Are either of those "private" companies publicly traded? (looks like a sierra club image and something from the washington independent) If so you can bet they are "owned" via controlling shares in govt investment funds. What many refer to as "private" companies are really not private.
The power company is LG&E, which used to be owned by German utility firm E.ON but was purchased in 2010 by PPL. Yes it is publically traded. So what? So is Facebook and Microsoft. I am not sure who owns the coal mine but the United States government does not own our coal mines. This is not China.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:24 AM
 
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If what we exhale is harmless you should test your theory. Place a plastic bag over your head tighten it around your neck and breath deeply for about ten minutes.... Let us know how that works put for you.
???

So depriving myself of oxygen is somehow evidence that C02 is harmful? Absolutely brilliant thinking there! /boggle
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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???

So depriving myself of oxygen is somehow evidence that C02 is harmful? Absolutely brilliant thinking there! /boggle
The point is co2 is harmful in the wrong concentrations. What we are doing is injecting co2 into the air in volumns that the planet cannot handle. We are digging up carbon that has been sequestered over billions of years and spewing it back into the air.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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???

So depriving myself of oxygen is somehow evidence that C02 is harmful? Absolutely brilliant thinking there! /boggle
The EPA can't regulate human breathing, not unless they start killing off people.
And even if they did, China far surpasses us for greenhouse gas emissions.

The EPA can and probably will regulate industries on their emissions and fine them until they improve their plants. The cost will be passed on to consumers. The consumers will cut back/change their lifestyle/move so they can still afford their lifestyle.

The sale of wood stoves has skyrocketed in the northeast and that is highly regulated as well (just look at the cost of EPA approved stoves compared to those old ones).

It's a viscous circle, one fraught with higher costs on the consumer no matter which way you look at it.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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New products = new industry

New industry = new jobs

Higher costs = higher GDP

What's the problem? You guys anti growth???



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The EPA can't regulate human breathing, not unless they start killing off people.
And even if they did, China far surpasses us for greenhouse gas emissions.

The EPA can and probably will regulate industries on their emissions and fine them until they improve their plants. The cost will be passed on to consumers. The consumers will cut back/change their lifestyle/move so they can still afford their lifestyle.

The sale of wood stoves has skyrocketed in the northeast and that is highly regulated as well (just look at the cost of EPA approved stoves compared to those old ones).

It's a viscous circle, one fraught with higher costs on the consumer no matter which way you look at it.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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Huh? Nothing in this ruling means anything about the size of government, nor it is a left/right issue.

And, the Clean Air Act has been around since 1963.
Now we have an unelected and unaccountable group of bureaucrats arbitrarily creating carbon emission laws, regulations, fines and punishments. How can this not be big government???
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