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I can't believe how many people didn't even bother to educate themselves about this amendment before blindly going out and voting for it like a bunch of mindless sheep. Gay marriage was already banned in NC some years ago. This amendment was about making all types of civil unions/domestic partnerships illegal in the state as well. This includes heterosexual couples who choose not to get married for whatever reason but want to set up a domestic partnership for legal reasons, as well as gay couples who were already denied the right to marry in this backwards state.
Pfft, who cares if you're a loving, heterosexual couple in a long term, domestic, stable relationship who chose not to bother w/ the government/religious institution of marriage? Who cares so long as we can stick it to the gays!
We've already had miamimam flat out say more or less that they didn't care so long as gays can't get married. Once again, it's said when people are so blinded by their own hatred they refuse to note the details...
Comparing North Carolina to South Carolina and Tennessee is your fallacy. Even your numbers prove such. I pointed out to you that NC is s swing state, and it's numbers tonight reflect a swing state. Using your numbers, it shows that both SC and TN are very conservative states, unlike NC, which is center right. NC's numbers reflect that....because it's swing state. As I said to you earlier, opposing ideologies is rooted in NC's culture and it's history.
You've provided nothing to suggest that North Carolina is a "swing state," other than the fact that North Carolina narrowly voted for Obama in 2008. In 2004, North Carolina voted 56% for Bush, and South Carolina voted 58% for Bush, and Tennessee voted 56.8% for Bush. In 2000, North Carolina voted 56% for Bush, South Carolina voted 56.8% for Bush, and Tennessee voted 51% for Bush (although Gore's home state was Tennessee).
On the same day in 2006, South Carolina and Tennessee voted for same sex marriage bans by very similar margins. The margin in North Carolina today was 20 points closer. You seem to think that the reason for this discrepancy is that North Carolina has a much more liberal populace than either South Carolina or Tennessee, but that's not really borne out by electoral history in general. You also seem to believe that attitudes towards marriage equality have not changed between 2006 and 2012; that is simply not borne out by the facts. Nationwide, support for marriage equality has risen from 42% in 2006 to 53% in 2012. I would suggest that tonight's numbers reflect that support for marriage equality has increased nationwide, including in southern states like North Carolina.
It's pure speculation, and I don't know if there is any polling data available, but I would guess that if there was a poll done in South Carolina or Tennessee today, support for marriage equality would be better than 80-20 against.
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Regarding your last paragraph.....How many minorities are we going to manufacture in this nation? Where will we draw the line?
Why does a line have to be drawn when it comes to respecting fundamental human and civil rights of American citizens?
Gay couples should not raise children - children need the daily influence of both male and female parents to develop normally - both a mother and father contribute neccesary elements to the healthy growth of a child. It is how the Creator(or nature if you prefer) intended. Homosexuals should not be permitted to engage in dangerous experiments by being responsible for raising children.
So you're okay w/ not letting a homeless child rotting in foster care to be adopted by a loving gay couple? Do you suggest single people not adopt? Are the children of single parents doomed b/c mom or dad weren't around?
Don't push your "Creator" nonsense on me. Human beings evolved to raise our children in a group/community setting so that in the absence of a partner, there is help from others. The whole, "it takes a village" thing comes into play.
Oh, and children of gay parents do get access to adults of other sexes who can help in their development-grandparents, uncles, aunts, community leaders, coaches, teachers, scout leaders, etc.
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ONCE AGAIN, you brought up sibling marriages as a strawman excuse of why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. I never brought it up to begin with, am only playing devil's advocate in questioning your opposition to sibling marriage. Don't bring up topics if you don't want other people to call you out on it.
I clearly stated that ANY two adults would able to claim that they should have rights to marriage should gays win the fight for marriage, including siblings. You have already stated that you have no qualms about incestuous unions, which is sickening and shows that you are not that clear minded. I have stated that incestuous relationships would likely result in retarded children. You have tried to throw around different diseases and conditions in which parents would likely produce mentally retarded children, but have failed miserably in mulltiple attempts to do so. You have run out of steam on your argument and fail to give up.... You are not playing Devil's Advocate. You are being an annoying and trying to get me to agree with sibling marriage and gay marriage no matter what the consequences to society. Not going to happen.
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