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The author could be wrong, but imo there are good examples of actual cases showing the bill's authors and Bush didn't truly grasp how the law would be implemented, despite what they claim their intentions were.
Oh, I never said there weren't cases where SYG didn't apply but used successfully as a defense. So on this we do agree. I was referring to the law as it is written and meant to be applied. Laws are often open to interpretation.
Still, I don't believe Zimmerman's story. He says a lot of things that don't ring true or make sense. It would only be conjecture at best if I told you what I think happened. He keeps telling the police about the foul language Trayvon Martin used, but he seems very comfortable repeating those words. We don't know if GZ stopped his car and yelled a few obscenities out the window. Do you remember when he was arrested in 2005 and charged with a third degree felony? He said the officer never identified himself, but the police report states Zimmerman shouted, "I don't care who the *F* you are." Some people here said "We all know cops lie" but how many times will this man accuse someone else of being the aggressor and be forgiven? He also told the judge his ex-fiancee hit him first during a domestic dispute. It just seems to me that he flies off the handle and then blames the recipient of his anger. This time someone fought back and was killed.
Even if valerie is from one of those states, from what I read, the initial trial was about guilt/innocence only. If the person was found guilty, then there would be a sentencing trial. So I think it would be hard to stare down a prosecutor during the guilt trial for wanting to give the defendant a much harsher sentence than she thought he deserved even though he was guilty as sin....her words.......Even in states where the jury has a part to play in sentencing, there is a procedure by which they present evidence, etc., and it would not include allowing a juror to glare and display negative, harsh body language to any attorney or even a defendant for very long. Even in those states, surely they want a jury verdict, not a jury bullied into something.
Btw, it's just absolutely stunning how many CD people have not only served on many juries (multiple times) but who have also been selected the "forman."
You poor thing.
I was the foreman on one of the trials I served on, too. Just thought you'd like to know.
I guess from your sad vantage point, it's difficult for you to believe there are lots and lots of people who just plain know more than you. Accept it and move on.
And for others exhibiting the propensity to make erroneous ASSumptions, I've never served on a jury in OK. I don't believe I've ever seen such a clump of ridiculous jumping to conclusions in one place before in my life.
Last edited by Dale Cooper; 06-25-2012 at 02:16 AM..
I was the foreman on one of the trials I served on, too. Just thought you'd like to know.
I guess from your sad vantage point, it's difficult for you to believe there are lots and lots of people who just plain know more than you. Accept it and move on.
And for others exhibiting the propensity to make erroneous ASSumptions, I've never served on a jury in OK. I don't believe I've ever seen such a clump of ridiculous jumping to conclusions in one place before in my life.
I'm not impressed, Dale. Just more of the same from you.
Last edited by FancyFeast5000; 06-25-2012 at 05:04 AM..
That's interesting. In what part of the country does the jury have ANYTHING to do with the sentence in a criminal case? No part of THIS country. The jury is the finder of fact; the jury HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SENTENCING. The jury is instructed not not consider the sentence, so you certainly did not "stare down a prosecutor" because you were fighting for half of a 30 year sentence and he knew it. What an amazing fantasy! He would have had you thrown off that jury in a heartbeat. You're so busted. That's just not the way the system works and you have clearly demonstrated your lack of knowledge of the basics.
Jury recommends foo
Last edited by valerie d; 06-25-2012 at 05:42 AM..
No, but I wouldn't have lied to a judge about my assets.
It wasn't just the Martin family who wanted an arrest, but I guess every time I quote people like Jeb Bush who said he was surprised Zimmerman was not arrested after the shooting, it goes right over your head or you choose to ignore me.
If I walk into a store and kill everyone, so nobody sees me, can I then tell the cops my life was in danger? Of course not. Zimmerman didn't have any witnesses, so you are saying it means he should go free. There are numerous crimes without any eyewitnesses. Usually the suspected killer isn't set free based on shaky statements to the police.
The only reason Zimmerman is sitting in jail is because he committed perjury.
Go back to the night of the killing and the next day.
Under the law, gz was immune from arrest unless the cops had probable cause to believe he did Not act in self defense.
What was the evidence to use against him at that point ? In my opinion, the evidence either tended to support his claim or at worst for him was neutral.
Little ms pretentious not only knows the steps of Zimmerman and each and every detail regards guilt or innocence she also knows the details of a trial I mentioned and I guess we are simply dealing with a clairvoyant or perhaps a clairvoyeur!
Jealously is not attractive. You're still busted dale.
Sorry, I could have sworn Dale said she was from Oklahoma. Yes, I was referring to the high number of times she said she actually served on a jury. I've lived in Florida since 1994 and, although I've been summoned to appear, I've never served once or have been part of the juror selection process. I was born and raised in MA and never got a summons. If the qualifying age is 18 and I turned 18 in 1969 and moved to NH in 1986, that means for 17 years in MA I never was called to serve on a jury. I then lived in NH for several years and can't recall ever receiving a summons. That's why I find it odd that people here are saying they were not only summoned, but actually served on juries several times.
One can only suspect you were found not suitable.
That's how it works, doncha know.
Once, I was summoned twice in the same year, which not only is highly unusual, but automatically releases one from duty if they wish to be released. Before voir dire, the judge asked me if I wished to be excused and I told him I was happy to serve if selected. So I stayed and was selected.
Serving on a jury is one of the most fascinating and educational processes in America. It can also be highly entertaining, as it was during one boring case I sat on where the judge actually dozed off.
Oklahoma must have a lot of trials. I've lived in Florida since 1994 and I've received 5 summons. In fact, I just got one asking me to appear in Sarasota on July 16. Two times I was told by a recording that I didn't need to appear. Every jury summons has instructions to call after 5 on the evening before to check for changes. Twice I sat in the Fort Myers Court House for about 4 hours until I was dismissed. The last one I got (which was only last week) is for July and I'll let you know what happens. In other words, being called for jury duty means very little. In Florida it means you have a driver's license.
Really? You obviously don't live in Florida! People show up at weddings in flip-flops! Heck, that's often fancier than the bride who is barefoot!
The summons does say, however, that I cannot wear shorts or flip-flops. So this must be a formal jury. LOL Seriously, I worked in retail for many years in SWFL and people stroll in wearing bathing suits.
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Huh? I've been on a jury too. What does this have to do with jury selection or having professional jurors?
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FYI
Last edited by Dale Cooper; 06-25-2012 at 07:43 AM..
You are claiming that he is innocent without trial or having all the "evidence". How are you any different than those you are criticizing?:smack.
That's what we do in America.
Innocent until proved guilty.
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Just more of the same from you.
