Republican candidates and birth control... (Taliban, Afghanistan, death, lobbyists)
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The prescribing doctor can write an appeal to the insurance company explaining the off label use for a prescription. Simple solution and problem solved. I would like to see the same thing with Viagra. My insurance premiums should not have to help fund some guy's stiffy. If he has a medical condition that requires a prescription of viagra, then the prescribing doctor can write an appeal to the ins. co.
And yet, your insurance has likely covered Viagra prescriptions for more than a decade. And chances are, you've been living in a state that has mandated contraception coverage (as most states have the requirement). You won't be able to escape that if you lived in Arizona, Texas or Georgia. So why the whine now?
If anything, it is fiscally irresponsible to push for ideas that make people procreate like stray cats and dogs.
The cost of living in society. You can't get out of it unless you live on an island by yourself.
I'm sorry, but no, that is NOT the cost of living in society. the cost of living in society is paying for things WE ALL USE, such as roads, fire & police, public schools... And those are mostly paid for by our LOCAL taxes, not federal (roads excluded from the local).
Insurance is a private purchase and should not be mandated by the federal government. It does no one any good and not everyone has to use it. Birth control is readily available for everyone who WANTS to use it. Some insurance plans cover prescriptions and it makes it less expensive, but ALL birth control is availble to everyone, insurance or not. And at most pharmacies you can get it for CHEAP. So there is NO reason it has to be paid for completely by insurance.... and it shouldn't be forced on any employer but especially not the religious organizations.
Waste of time and money to make appeals for every case.
That is a total cop-out. Doctors write prescriptions for off label use all the time. It's a simple form letter stating that Dr. X is prescribing _____ to treat medical condition Y for patient Z. You clearly have very limited understanding of the insurance, pharmaceutical, and/or medical industry.
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All prescription drugs should be included in a prescription drug insurance plan.
That's a pharmaceutical lobbyist's dream come true. Get insurance to cover everything and they make out like bandits.
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Cherry picking because of twisted panties is plain silly.
I suppose you think that insurance should also cover Botox injections then, huh? Botox injections are routinely used for treatment of patients with vocal fold disorders such as spasmodic dysphonia, so why not cover it for your crow's feet too? Your assertion is beyond ridiculous so as to be laughable.
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And yet, your insurance has likely covered Viagra prescriptions for more than a decade. And chances are, you've been living in a state that has mandated contraception coverage (as most states have the requirement). You won't be able to escape that if you lived in Arizona, Texas or Georgia. So why the whine now?
If anything, it is fiscally irresponsible to push for ideas that make people procreate like stray cats and dogs.
Right, because requiring people to pay for their birth control out of pocket will cause people to procreate like wild animals. People who have insurance (those who want their insurance companies to cover BC) likely have the resources to also pay that $15 to prevent unwanted pregnancy. For people with the inability to pay, there are numerous health clinics that give out free birth control. And hey, condoms are pretty darn cheap.
And yes, I do live in a state with a multitude of ridiculous mandates such as costly infertility treatments. People wonder why insurance premiums have skyrocketed over the past few decades, well this is one reason why. People want their insurance to cover absolutely everything, whether it is related to a medical condition or not.
And yet, your insurance has likely covered Viagra prescriptions for more than a decade. And chances are, you've been living in a state that has mandated contraception coverage (as most states have the requirement). You won't be able to escape that if you lived in Arizona, Texas or Georgia. So why the whine now?
There are states right now that are trying to repeal that mandate. A lot of people have been against it from the beginning.
That is a total cop-out. Doctors write prescriptions for off label use all the time. It's a simple form letter stating that Dr. X is prescribing _____ to treat medical condition Y for patient Z.
How many of those drugs are drugs that the patients prescription drug insurance won't cover without a notice?
A list of some common ones would be nice.
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You clearly have very limited understanding of the insurance, pharmaceutical, and/or medical industry.
And we begin the descent into fallacies.
Starting with Ad Hominem.
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I suppose you think that insurance should also cover Botox injections then, huh?
Is this leading into a strawman?
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Botox injections are routinely used for treatment of patients with vocal fold disorders such as spasmodic dysphonia, so why not cover it for your crow's feet too?
Yes. Yes it is.
It's also a red herring.
Is Botox a prescription drug you can pick up at a pharmacy?
No?
Alrighty then. Different topic.
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The hospital accepts government money to provide for public benefit. Because of that, their religious beliefs should not interfere with their work. This includes cherry picking of medications they will allow to be covered or procedures to be performed.
I suppose you think that insurance should also cover Botox injections then, huh? Botox injections are routinely used for treatment of patients with vocal fold disorders such as spasmodic dysphonia, so why not cover it for your crow's feet too? Your assertion is beyond ridiculous so as to be laughable.
If it was prescribed by a doctor, I don't see why not.
Single payer system, all prescription medicnes covered, paid for by higher taxes.
Right, because requiring people to pay for their birth control out of pocket will cause people to procreate like wild animals. People who have insurance (those who want their insurance companies to cover BC) likely have the resources to also pay that $15 to prevent unwanted pregnancy. For people with the inability to pay, there are numerous health clinics that give out free birth control. And hey, condoms are pretty darn cheap.
And yes, I do live in a state with a multitude of ridiculous mandates such as costly infertility treatments. People wonder why insurance premiums have skyrocketed over the past few decades, well this is one reason why. People want their insurance to cover absolutely everything, whether it is related to a medical condition or not.
Should other people get to decide what you should be eligible for? It sounds like you condone the idea, and I really hope you get to experience consequences of the recipe you propose for others.
But, let us revisit your idea of "conservatism" and opposition to contraceptive coverage (I see you didn't continue your argument on likes of Viagra, so I will leave it at that... I guess you don't have problem with it anymore. Why do you think the states that have contraception coverage, do? I'm not looking for an irrational/emotional response, but a logical one. Or, would that be too much to ask/expect?
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There are states right now that are trying to repeal that mandate. A lot of people have been against it from the beginning.
Why are they trying to repeal something they themselves passed? Politics?
No, it was some political debate and it was 4 of the potiental republican candidates, all rambling on about how they thought BC was IMMORAL.
Yes the main topic was about obama and his whole BC incident that had everyone outraged.
There hasn't been a debate in weeks. So I think you are confused about what you were watching, unless it was an older one on youtube. Would be nice to have a link so we know what you're talking about.
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Did I ever mention Ron Paul specifically? No I did not.
If you ARE talking about the 4 candidates, then you are talking about Ron Paul, who is one of the 4.
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I pay for my birth control. I go to planned parenthood. My health insurance, which *I* pay for each month pays for my visits and it makes my birth control $10, which I pay for. So I pay for my birth control, I don't expect anyone to pay for it for me.
Good for you! That's the way it should be for everyone, pay for yourself.
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No, they said immoral.
But simply having these men who think birth control is immoral ANYWHERE NEAR the white house scares the **** of out me.
I live in Colorado and in 2008 my state TRIED to pass a bill that would make birth control illegal. So it's not like people aren't trying. I voted HELL NO by the way.
You're young, but you should know how the government works. Of course this administration has set a really bad example of it! So I could see why you'd be concerned. BUT the way things work is that the president doesn't have the ability to just make something illegal like that. He'd have to get a bill passed through the house, then through the Senate, and then he'd have to sign it. This president has used his Executive order to the extreme, and has shoved things (like Obamacare) down our throats, which is very worrisome. But I'll say, that it's easier to get something ADDED than to get something taken away. Try to imagine the fight any president would have if they tried to make BC illegal? Just think about it for a second. Do you REALLY think any democrat in the house or senate would let that slip by easily?? No, that wouldn't happen. Anymore than making abortion illegal again.
Now that we've got that out of the way. Let's look logically about the 4 candidates views, as you have presented here. While I don't elieve all 4 of them have EVER said BC was immoral, just one has said that, let's pretend that they did. Ok, so these guys think it's immoral to use birth control. That's their right to do so, in this country. However, even the MOST fundemental of all of them has adamantly said that he would NEVER try to make it illegal, or support a bill that did! You can read more of his views here Rick Santorum: ‘The idea I’m coming after your birth control is absurd’ - She the People: - The Washington Post As you can see, he's NEVER said birth control should be illegal. So that should alleviate any fears you might have on that issue.
[quote]I just wanted to know what people's opinions are on having someone in office who thinks birth control is immoral, in a country where their beliefs could possibly infringe upon those who aren't religious and don't have an issue with birth control. [/wuote] Firstly, I'd have no problem with it because they'd never be able to get a ban passed. Secondly I'd be ok with it, because their personal beliefs have little to no bearing on congress. Thirdly none of them want to ban birth control, so there is no issue at hand.
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This is a free country and the last thing we need is some oppressive religious guys who could care less about womens rights and too much about what the bible says, when no one can even prove god is real.
You're right, and we should also be free from those who want to stamp out religion and stamp on the rights of those who hold strong religious beliefs. Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't give you the right to say they can't follow them. When we allow the government to put rules and mandates on one religion, they will come after them all. If they can do this to such a large and organized religion like Catholicsm they will certainly have NO problem doing it to my infitisimally small religion!
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People who have insurance (those who want their insurance companies to cover BC) likely have the resources to also pay that $15 to prevent unwanted pregnancy. For people with the inability to pay, there are numerous health clinics that give out free birth control. And hey, condoms are pretty darn cheap.
